Impressions: Red Alert 3 Beta [Better than C&C3] | Posted at 8:08 PM
Updated: I updated this to be less unfair to the game. The original was written when I was in a bad mood.
I usually form an impression of a game within the first 30 minutes.
- C&C Red Alert: Awesome
- C&C Tiberian Sun: Extra awesome
- C&C Red Alert 2: Super awesome
- C&C Red Alert 2 YR: Epic awesome
- C&C Generals: Fail
- C&C Generals ZH: Less fail
- C&C 3: Ok
- C&C Red Alert 3: Alright?
So I got the RA3 beta invite yesterday and I sat down to play a game today. I played one game, it’s multiplayer only, and let me just say going into this that I heavily dislike multiplayer RTS games mostly because I am not good against humans. You won’t ever find me playing online with an RTS, only LAN.
That said, I am not trying to outright say Red Alert 3 is a disappointment just yet but I will walk you through my impressions. I am going to give it the benefit of the doubt and say that single-player may prove to be a fun experience but I wasn’t really that impressed with the multiplayer for my first go. I will play with it some more but I did have my brother play it and he didn't like it so we'll see where it goes.
Before I continue let me say a few things to those who will inevitably criticize my point of view:
- You and me like different things in a game, thus I don’t care if you like it, I don’t. EA can never appeal to all of us.
- This is from the perspective of a first-time player. Chock it all up to the fact I suck if you want (I do), but what will the opinion be of other newbies to the game?
- I am lazy and don’t want to perfect my multiplayer gaming skills because I have things to do, so I realize that there are many strategies to doing things and I hope I can learn them when I buy the game.
- This relates to above but this is just a rant at its core and I know I'll pick the game up if not for just being curious.
Here is a list of things I didn’t like during my first game. Much of this is nit-picky fanboyism but I am a picky person:
- Didn’t feel like classic C&C. It didn’t even feel like Red Alert. No garrison-able buildings in my vicinity that offered useful protection, no funny civilians flailing about, no destroyable cars to pilot or play with, the atmosphere was just missing that classic RA2 feel which I loved. This might have just been the map and other maps might be better, but I didn't see any so there.
- Takes forever to make money. I guess you’re supposed to have two ore refineries to make money and like 4 prospectors (ore miners), but seriously, all I needed in RA2 was one refinery and 2 miners and I was good to go.
- Perhaps too-similar buildings. In all the good C&C games you could ALWAYS tell what a building was for. In RA3 and C&C3 sometimes you can get confused. I know I found myself trying to remember what building I was looking at. If you look at this screenshot, you can tell the top two buildings are a power plant and war factory, but what about the other two in the water (disregarding the power plant)? I only played once but I can’t tell you, but maybe it’s because they are the water-equivalents of certain land buildings.
- No deployable GIs or units. One of my favorite things about RA2 was deployable GIs… if only for that silly sound effect they make when they deploy. They were also awesome and owned.
- Air units might be too powerful. Four bombers, $1200 each, can take out my MCV. In RA2 I needed 7 Black Eagles to destroy one MCV and they had hardly any health. It took 8 regular aircraft to do the same. They send 4 bombers and they destroy half my base, and they just don’t die. Not. Cool. Also, let me expand further, I had a bunch of RPG guys AND missile launchers AND IFVs with missile guys and they still got through. This might be a new balance issue so that aircraft can be more effective but damn!
- Sidebar: I miss the static C&C sidebar. I realize people want to see more of the map but what made a C&C game a C&C game and not some other RTS clone? That sidebar. I want it back, damn it. I realize that, yes, other RTSs like Dawn of War, Warcraft III, and AoE have static interfaces… but of the RTS I have played, C&C always had the unique side UI.
- No countries: The countries were a great dynamic in RA2 that was really nice. Even though the only difference was really special units, it was still a nice touch. In RA3, they have these "top secret protocol"? things that are basically general powers… but most of them suck.
- Third side: Japan? Seriously? Yuri was the sweetest added-in side of all time. That expansion seriously added a crap-load of features into the game that made it fricking amazing. I haven’t played Japan side yet (so take this with a grain of salt) but it seems to me that they can’t be as cool as Yuri was. I want mind control, damn it! Well, I hope they prove me wrong.
So, I may be too harsh (I am) considering this is a multiplayer-only beta… but I already know I won’t be playing it online with other people (but that isn't saying much anyway). LAN? Sure... I wish I could play with it by myself and not have someone kick my ass right away. Such is being a n00b.
I admit that all that above is negative and probably unfair, so I'll list some things I did like:
- Menu: The menu is great, if not for the super-awesome music ala Red Alert 2.
- SFX: I like the unit voices and sound effects, I am glad they kept some from previous games.
- Music: Yes! Sounds very Red Alert, I love it.
- Color: Finally, a game with color! I liked the rich colors they decided on, it made everything pop out a lot more.
- Navy: Now the Navy is a viable attack/defense option. Naval units pretty much were useless in previous RA installments except for maybe the carrier and boomer subs. Boomer subs were pretty rigged, though.
- No service depots: The service depot was a silly idea. I am glad they kept one of the good features of Generals: the repair drones. Also you can build an MCV with minimum prerequisites.
- Terror drones in the water: Two words: Friggin' awesome.
- Voice: This was in C&C 3 but I am glad they have VoIP support.
- Hotkeys: This was also in C&C 3 but having hotkeys makes for good programmable macro combos. I have 3 set up in C&C 3 to make each side's base in the minimum amount of time possible.
- Live cutscenes: I am so glad they brought this back with C&C 3 because that was a hallmark of classic Red Alert. Sure, they are cheesy as hell but they're so awesome.
- Superweapons: I only saw the Chronosphere and Iron Curtain in action but I am glad they kept them. There are tons of great strategies to use them with.
If you liked C&C 3, which I did up to a certain point, you will probably like this game. If, however, you are a die-hard classic pre-EA-only C&C fan like me, you probably will be disheartened but perhaps a little less considering it’s still recognizably Red Alert.
I honestly can’t really pin down why EA hasn’t been able to make me feel like I’m in the classic C&C experience. I think it’s because even since the original C&C, Westwood had a sense of humor that you could see throughout their games. Their level design was masterful and their maps were rich with things other than your or your enemy’s units. I don’t see any of that. I don’t see the little monkey scratching his butt near a palm tree, or an alligator that tries to eat my GIs, or a civilian getting pissed and shooting me with his crappy pistol, and the awesome Hollywood stars that had frickin’ awesome weapons. I mean there was always some scenic thing going on that just isn’t as apparent in EA’s games. Tiberian Sun was the same way with its mutated civilians, etc.
I’m not saying there wasn’t any humor in C&C 3 and maybe there is in RA3 (hopefully) but I can't recall anything specific. That's probably because I didn't play C&C 3 as much as other games. Of course, considering C&C 3's storyline there wasn't much room for humor ala RA.
Also, RA2’s missions weren’t just about destroying the enemy base. A lot of the missions had different goals, like sneaking past defenses, escorting a convoy, etc. Although I enjoy destroying bases I liked when it shook it up because it didn’t feel like I was just playing a skirmish.
Anyway, back to RA3. I am hoping single-player will be more refined. I am willing to hope and I may end up getting RA3 when it comes out or just trying it out to see what the campaign is like. I don’t think Red Alert 2 was a perfect game… I mean MP was like, "Ok I am ready to die in 5 minutes."? That’s what turned me off from it. That’s what turned me off of multiplayer RTS gaming period. The only RTS game I might play is Warcraft III but that’s because the games are all mods like DoTA or Tower Defense. When it comes to RTS, single-player is where its at for me. In that regard, I am willing to suspend my hatred until I get to play RA3’s campaign.
Overall I think RA3 is a better game at its core than C&C 3. I haven't played enough to fully write out my opinions but for a first impression it didn't bode well. There are a few factors that might have contributed to that and it would be:
- I don't know the sides very well. I haven't played all of them nor do I know the best way to build a base yet.
- The people I was playing against were really good and they kicked me and my teammate's ass.
- I suck at multiplayer RTS. It's true.
- Maybe it’s just the nostalgia talking and my denial of change to the series I love.
If you've played the beta and you like it, it's probably because you've played it more than I have, in fact I pretty much guarantee it. Once I've played at least 10 games or so I will post an updated (and hopefully more accurate) impression.

Comments
Noob.
Posted by: John
On August 24, 2008 10:34 PM
I agree, I think you gave a very good critic (of course you should be more neutral, but at least you recognize not being neutral) try exploiting that. Have good gaming!
Posted by: M4RC0
On September 7, 2008 11:16 AM
I kinda smirked when I read C&C Tiberian Sun: Extra Awesome .... I dont know what was awesome at this pile of shit (yes Ive played it!) but I seriously stopped reading at Generals: fail ... this has proven to me youre just a mentally retarded C&C freak which probably just wants every upcoming C&C to be like tiberian dawn (including the graphics) and I wouldnt be surprised if youre still a kid yourself.
yeah Ive also looked at Red Alert 3 with mixed feelings. in my view they are actually destroying the good name of the series (Red Alert 1 + Counterstrike + Aftermath + Red Alert 2 + Yuris Revenge) and make the whole games ridiculous with their garbage produced in part 3. I mean the whole tech-units looking as if we were in a manga comic series? japan as 3rd faction wtf? all these girls on the box, ingame, in the cutscenes...am I actually playing a pc game or have I mistakenly bought a softporn movie here?
then they have released Red Alert 1 for free this september... yeah good move EA I was really enjoying the game but kinda messed marketing strategy behind all this with all the PREORDER NOW PREORDER THIS THAT to hell with it!!! I know EA failed me once and will fail me again. Generals/Zero Hour is a good game but still suffers from horrendous bugs.
I wish westwood was still around they would have released C&C 4 and Red Alert 4 by now and would have pleased everyone.
but thats the business: corporations which really care for their customers are getting taken over by big companies which just care for the money. doing whatever it takes
good bye C&C/Red Alert! I really enjoyed the time with you!
Posted by: sovi3tbro
On September 18, 2008 2:56 PM
Maybe it's the nostalgia talking but when I first played Tiberian Sun it was addicting. I finished the campaigns for GDI and Nod and the game struck me as very well made. It was fun and kept me interested, that's way more than I can say for Generals.
Zero Hour was better, but Generals just seemed really bland, it was a lot different than the previous installments... I don't know, it's fine if you like it but I just didn't.
It's not like I hate change, I love better graphics as much as the next person but graphics do not a game make. It has to be fun and engaging. Hell, the effort Westwood put into the installer for RA2 was enough to convince me they put a lot of effort and love into the game.
I don't think I am "mentally retarded" for not liking Generals... if you talk to most C&C players they all agree Generals was a low point in the series. One of my friends liked it but he also agreed it just wasn't as good as Red Alert. That's all I am saying.
Posted by: Kamran
On September 18, 2008 3:46 PM
Well.. it was an ok review, but really some of the facts were off on some games ( ie 8 eagles for mcv 12 harriers.. only 2 miners needed in RA2) but overall ok review
Posted by: Pro@Cnc
On September 18, 2008 9:09 PM
Well crap. I just wrote a rather long comment saying how I agreed with most of what you said, but it got lost because whatever crappy software the site runs decided it would be best to just error and delete the whole thing, instead of asking to be corrected. Apparently I didn't enter an email address (which it didn't say I should). Oh well.
Posted by: Matt
On September 21, 2008 8:22 PM
Red alert is one of the best new video games to come out and this game is the 3rd expansion. Very great game.
Posted by: red alert 3
On December 25, 2008 9:39 AM
Ok we just sat down and played this game for like 4 hours (multi).
The game's graphics are horrible compared to C&C tiber. These graphics look like little kids graphics. EA has destroyed this game and the game play sucks. Units are retarded in terms of looks and it takes forever to make any sort of money. This game is so kid like that one of the units shoots engineers like little balls out of itself onto its drop zone. If that doesn't look like mario world I don't know what does.
The Red Alert series is dead and I am sure westwood studios is rolling over in there graves right around now after seeing what the morons at EA have done to this great series of games.
Posted by: Cloves
On January 3, 2009 10:12 AM
ra2 is a much better game, though i will continue to play 3 i will go back to play 2 once in a while. i disagree with what you said about the air units being too strong, because 4 javs/flaks and one ifv can take out an army of them (dont believe me, email and you will see)
Posted by: sdfrdsg
On January 4, 2009 9:57 PM
They've toned it down since the Beta, "sdfrdsg," so you're right.
I am too lazy to post new impressions but suffice it to say I am actually enjoying the game. It's not as good as RA2 but it's not as bad as I first thought.
Posted by: Kamran
On January 4, 2009 10:09 PM
I really like the game Red Alert 3 uprising. The PC version of the game is very much the way i wanted. Anyone of you tried this?
Posted by: Free PC Download Games
On February 5, 2010 5:07 AM
I agree ra2 is a more fun game, however I will still play 3 I will return to play 2 every so often. I'm not in agreement with what has been said regarding the air units being too powerful, because 4 javs/flaks and one ifv could take out an entire company of them in my view.
Posted by: online hypnosis
On February 16, 2010 2:43 PM
Red Alert series rock!! And especially thins one... For me the best version was plain Red Alert and i generally do not like the C&C series but the best of them was C&C 3...
Will be really nice when Red Alert 4 arrives :D ( hope they make it worthy tho :) )
Posted by: James | cool fun games
On April 17, 2010 3:11 PM
Red Alert 3 uprising is addictive and is easily my favourite PC game right now! I wouldn't of picked it up if it wasn't for the comments here so...thanks! :)
Posted by: devin, reprogramming mind aficionado
On July 29, 2010 4:17 PM
Good point about forming an impression of a game within the first 30 minutes. I think this is valid, and accounts for one's instinct.
Posted by: Alfredo, Rims for Sale
On August 5, 2010 2:21 PM
I agree, it's important to get an idea of what's happening in the game pretty soon. I have played games where this wasn't the case and it was a real drag!
Posted by: sue
On August 8, 2010 11:25 AM
I loved every generation since the original Command & Conquer ... including Red Alert 3 ... especially the Skirmish mode.
However, I have heard bad things about the newest version out. Any thoughts about the latest version?
Posted by: Dr Hypnosis
On September 1, 2010 7:40 PM
well you're pretty open about the fact that your review is biased. But yeah I agree, RA3 wasn't nearly as fun as RA2. Ra2 was awesome. But But But... how in the world can someone not love zero hour? Dude... you gotta be kidding me.
The reason you don't lve it is because you prolly havn't played it in multiplayer. Its awesome even when you're having your ass kicked. Yeah, its that good!
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Posted by: Rapid Free Traffic
On November 2, 2010 7:21 PM
I think RA3 was the best by far. you can upgrade your wepons to lv 8. once you beat the game you can play it over like 10 times
Posted by: Gamer noah
On November 14, 2010 12:22 PM
Red Alert 2 was better. I hate it when they raise the bar and then can't reach it again.
Posted by: CityVille Cheats
On January 4, 2011 12:33 PM
like everything it's all about who you are playing with, multilayer rocks
Posted by: albertr duncan
On February 8, 2011 12:52 AM
The full version of Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 arrives on PC and Xbox 360 this October. The project was originally slated to hit PlayStation 3 as well, but was later cancelled due to the PS3's "exotic and tough" development environment.
Posted by: paul mckenna
On February 10, 2011 4:51 AM
this is a nice review, bt i have heard some bad review for it
Posted by: sanmay patel
On March 18, 2011 7:00 AM
C&C 4 was very disappointing to me. I liked generals, they should make generals 2
Posted by: 32gb micro sd card
On March 19, 2011 8:47 AM
Playing human vs human is my favorite type of game play. It just takes practice. All of the RA games had this component. I have not played RA3 yet, but I know RA2 is one of my favorite all time games.
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On March 26, 2011 11:30 PM
RA3 is AMAZING! I love the game so much I really can't get myself off.
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On May 17, 2011 11:49 AM
I remember the good old fashioned C&C. I'm good with that any day :)
Posted by: hypnotherapy stop smoking
On June 14, 2011 2:24 PM
Good point about forming an effect of a game inside first 30 minutes. I believe this is valid, and accounts for one's instinct.
Posted by: LILY AND LULU
On June 30, 2011 5:25 AM
The game's graphics are horrible in comparison to C&C tiber. These graphics seem like little kids graphics. EA has destroyed this game and also the game play sucks. Units are retarded when it comes to looks and it takes forever to make any sort of money. This game is and so kid like that one of several units shoots engineers like little balls beyond itself onto its decline zone. If that doesn't resemble mario world I have no idea of what does.The Red Alert string is dead and I know westwood studios is rolling over inside graves right around right now after seeing what the actual morons at EA did to this great series of games.
Posted by: Kathy Love Ice Cream
On June 30, 2011 5:28 AM
Man I love C&C games. My favorite so far would have to be C&C tiberiam wars for the xbox 360.
Posted by: action arcade
On July 19, 2011 10:29 PM
Thanks for sharing... Man I love C&C games. My favorite so far would have to be C&C tiberiam wars for the xbox 360.
Posted by: Bernard
On August 14, 2011 7:00 PM
Really great games all of them I must admit. Have played all of them, can't say that I've finished them all however. I've applied the 30-minutes rule.
Posted by: Dota Hotkeys
On September 27, 2011 11:37 AM
Red Alert 3 is good, grafihcs are also good. I dont know i like more older Red Alerts , better for playing in lan mode.
Posted by: Dota
On April 17, 2012 4:14 AM
I really love Red Alert games, i have been playing it long time ago but i still remember good old times. :)
Posted by: Slavoljub Eduard Penkala
On April 22, 2012 8:52 AM
This game is and so kid like that one of several units shoots engineers like little balls beyond itself onto its decline zone. If that doesn't resemble mario world I have no idea of what does.
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On May 30, 2012 9:29 PM
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Posted by: web design Sydney
On May 30, 2012 9:48 PM
I lost track of how to play the game several titles ago and just can't get back into it.
Posted by: Hypnotizr - Quinn
On June 6, 2012 2:15 PM
I play this game but i dont understand what to do in this game i do only walking when i play this game can anyone tell me the goal of this game?
Posted by: Jerry Paxton
On June 12, 2012 10:28 AM