cathy Cavanaugh described a well developed mostly on line educational doctorate fat the University of Florida. The program is designed to support educational practitiioners who don't want to be researchers or faculty members but rather are currently practitioners in educational systems. They have thought through well the sequence of courses and expectations and built them around practice applications of research, program evaluation, related to educational technology. They have some introduction with their phd in having phd students participate at some levels as instructors and tutors for students in this program. There has been a very high demand for this program; they have selected 50 participants over two years out of applicaitons of 400. There are significant implications for other such doctoral programs in education or social work or other professions for place bound students who are or want to be leaders of practice rather than researchers and faculty members.