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I'd like to build such a rifle in .44 caliber for hunting someday.I came to the conclusion that a .54 caliber roundball rifle with 1 in 66 inch twist rate is just about ideal for deer but a bullet rifle that shoots paper patched bullets is a challenge I'd like to take on. If it were to be a breech loader (not a cartridge rifle) that would be more of a challenge but the bullets would not get deformed when loading. Breech loading rifles date back to the revolutionary war.
I've heard many gripes about bore butter and "seasoning" a bore. I used to use it in my .36 caliber squirrel rifle but don't now.
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Just learning to shoot blk pwdr and would appreciate
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