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January 29, 2006

sex and gender

More comments now included!


I was in middle school in 1993 when Delphy wrote this article, so I was not exactly aware of the prevailing feminist theories, but when I took my first women's history class (that basically amounted to a women's studies course) in high school I feel as though I already had a sense of the division between sex and gender, the malleability of both categories, the play of androgyny, etc. As I read especially the first half of Delphy I felt as though I was reading theory from my Intro to WoSt. This article seems then to be speaking down to feminists in some ways, rehashing things we already know and claiming that: "They [feminists] all want to keep some elements of gender." Even if a claim could be made about ALL feminists, does Delphy consider herself a feminist? If so then her statement is already false. Beyond the parts of Delphy's article that were automatically off-putting to me (like accusing Derrida's followers of being clones) I found her overall point to be useful.

I like watching C-SPAN a lot. They cover all the things going on around the capitol and that includes press conferences of various NGO's and citizen lobbying groups on a myriad of issues, including feminist or women's organizations. I have been struck, the few times that I've seen these press conferences, at the declarative language that comes out of the women speaking. They are speaking for all women in this country. While I understand first hand the positive impact that such organizations can have in the political process, it still bothered me that they were on national television declaring the needs and priorities of "women." In many ways Delphy is right, many feminists do essentialize sex and gender; they have to in order to organize around the category of woman. Delphy is also right in saying that the ultimate goal should be to denaturalize sex as dichotomous, but when working in a place where there are actually people who think of certain people as being lesser than others, it is mighty difficult to go in there and work for denaturalization o sex. I saw Phyllis Kahn try on the floor of the State House of Representatives and people laughed at her. It was during the debate on HF 7 (the anti-gay marriage amendment). She stood up and said This language is quite ambiguous! It says marriage shall be between one man and one woman. But there is no definition of man and woman. What about intersex people, what about people who do not fit in the traditional dichotomy of male-female? She addressed the question to the Republican side of the aisle. One Republican female member responded by yelling that Kahn should know a woman when she sees one.

Okay... I liked what Richard had to saw on many different topics: the ways that art gets co-oped by mainstream culture in order to desperse its revolutionary potential, the empty courting of plurality by mainstream culture in order to placate the 'others' in society, the fact that we can't simply get rid of masculinity in order to solve our gender hierarchies, and a myriad of other things. While I very much loved readingthis book with all its language play and eccentric grammar with spiraling sentances, I don't feel changed after reading it. PerhapsI was just in a sour mood after Delphy, but when she started out tlaking about the revolutionary new critique I had high expectations.

the one part that stood out however, was the section about artists. Before I started this book I write my final paper proposal and it was basically about many of the things she talked about in this article. I am a dancer and took a class i nthe dance department call Philosophy and Aesthetics of Dance. We talked about many of these same issues and one of the key ones I took away from that class was: how ideas of quality are never politically neutral. Many people have argued that each person has their own tastes in art and that's okay. Of course it is. But I think people often view that quality judgement as not effected by politics. People don't usually think, I don't like this painting because it's too revolutionary or it challenges my white privilege; but just because it's not concious doens't mean it's not happening. This is a very simplistic way of putting it but, those quality judgements are alway grounded in some sort of politcs.

January 25, 2006

just some general comments for the 26th of Jan

(I will admit right at the start that due a cold obvious in every part of my body I wasn’t able to read the other comments or postings; I will catch up on that before class on Thursday, I just hope that my comments don’t coincide with anyone else’s.)

After reading Wollstonecraft, my initial response is: We have heard all this before. Men are not set as equal in any society (though it is getting better in the world), women are not educated, there are problems with parenting one sex and the other; everything essentially is a result of power and control; lack of obedience of the lesser sex opens the doors for hatred. I feel like she keeps going in circles discussing what for us today is the good old material. However, in her arguments, she Wollstonecraft tends to make general statements, talking about the general woman, the general man, therefore making her arguments all fit one scale – when in reality we know that individualism rules. I feel like she doesn’t give place to the non-ordinary woman or man alike; her personalities are all of a certain extreme – they are either all bad (manly) or all good (womanly).

As far as the education of women is concerned, in a way I feel it connected to the “Pedagogía del oprimido” where Freire brings up that not only the integration of education will bring success; it is the need to educate the oppressed (which in our case could be the women) that their becoming un-oppressed doesn’t mean that they will become oppressors as they see that being the only other alternative in life. There are more than just two extremes here as well. I think there is a certain danger that women would become men because that’s the only other way they know is in existence.

Wollstonecraft’s suggesting that an unhappy marriage was advantageous to the family has me a little shocked.

I found it interesting that whenever a woman is talked about in de Gouges, she is talked about in relation to the family, to the husband, or to the household as if there was no other place for a woman, disconnected from the ‘natural’ position of a life-giver, caretaker etc. She does discuss the political realm, and the necessity of equality there, but it comes back to the subject of morals and her role in that family-related environment.

On readings for Jan. 26th

I actually found it very difficult to read the articles without arguing inwardly with the writers about race, class, and transgender/ transsexual issues. In "Letter to the Convention of the Women of America," women, in opposition to the black slave, are referred to as the "most oppressed of all the pariahs of humanity." This clearly relates to problems even within current feminism with the "who's the most oppressed" game and decontextualizes slavery and the very real pain and oppression experienced by black slaves. Also, the pieces constantly refer to "both" sexes, to men and women, ignoring transgenderism and of course inferring and assuming heterosexual relationships. Although there is much work yet to be done (and the idea of "progress" itself is problematic), we can see just by reading period documents like these that, in comparison with feminist documents of today, much progress has been made in the recognition of the social construction of dichotomies, specifically in terms of gender and sex.

I was also confused when reading the piece by Mary Wollstonecraft-- it appeared she was criticizing women for actions (for being weak and defining themselves solely in relation to their beauty and their husbands), while at the same time describing these things as somehow innate. Such essentialism is disturbing, but such ideas were prevalent at the time. However, her call for the education, employment (in order to avoid prostitution, dependence on men, etc), and empowerment of women (through the dismissal of daily micropolitics that infantilize and patronize them) is still very meaningful today.

January 24, 2006

Naomi #1

Similarly to the discussion that Alcoff’s article raised, Mary Wollstonecraft (in The Prevailing Opinion of a Sexual Character Discussed) constantly inspired me to question for whom/to whom she was writing. While she acknowledges in her introduction that she intends to focus on the middle class, she attempts to speak for them, not necessarily to them. Her tone, language, back-tracking and references at times seemed contradictory: she clearly privileges women’s innate capacities yet anticipates her counter argument in a pseudo-dialog. Her tone tends at preaching to a public who may be apt to “help” the poor women who are trapped in roles which lack education and liberty. At first reading it this speaking “for” was problematic for me. Yet, thinking of it in context—the contrast of women’s writing from late 18th century to early 21st—I wonder what it is that we would consider “pioneering” today.

While I enjoyed the poetics of her writing, I found her main point to be muddled in the explanations and repetitions. I was troubled by what seemed to be a call for women to assert more aggressively what was already within them, the masculine (or traits she attributes to men). Wollstonecraft relies heavily on current practice—i.e. emphasis on beauty, passivity and subordination—to create a contrast; however, this contrast doesn’t come across with much momentum as she dilutes it with explanations and excuses of women’s behavior. While she seems to explain a certain class of women she ignores that she herself pertains to such a group herself. In this way I see how her writing could be more effective as it does not constantly remind her audience of her voice, there is distance. Three hundred years later, what sort of distance do we have to create in order to be heard?

Kim's 1st entry

Deroin & Roland's "Letter" was very powerful for me because it reminds me of how much women have suffered in order to gain equal rights. Things that today we take for granted; like the right to vote and be employed. These women were imprisoned for demanding equality or *political conspiracy*. Women have been beaten and slandered and killed in order to keep them in a submissive position in society. Their opposition was far more violent but they believed in their cause and found support in each other.

In Wollstonecraft's second chapter I was really struck by the comparison to women and soldiers. Simply that they are both undereducated and know little of the world except for what their limited role in society should be. By not educating either both women and soldiers do not know to question their roles. It is a brainwashing - constantly taught to be obedient, either to your family or to your country. I had never thought of it quite that way before but it makes a lot of sense. Society needs both of these roles to be fulfilled. It needs soldiers to protect the country and in a society like today where young men are educated to know the alternatives to soldiering/patriotism/war and death; we have a smaller force. The demand for women and motherly/wife/servant positions seems to be the same. Men must have believed that society and the family structure would break down if women were educated and would reject their roles as wife and mother. Hence society tried to keep them dominated and unaware of the alternatives. Not knowing about options in life keeps women and soldiers content with their current roles.

January 22, 2006

The first?!

So I guess I'm going to be the first to put up my little thing of thoughts; I suppose someone has to be first.

The idea that concentrating on beauty and bodily things bound women to their place and to eternal childhood came off the page as being very powerful—even to me hundreds of years later. She was so clear and forceful about her purpose and her opinions that many of the things she said would be controversial (and somewhat pertinent) today in this country. It also made me wonder, however, who she was talking to in the article. Speaking so strongly about how vapid women were, even if it is because of forced lack of education and restraining of the imagination and intellect as she proposes, would seem to be rather offensive to any woman who might read it. It seems then that perhaps she didn’t believe all that she was saying in this piece. Perhaps the comments about how she may be willing to concede on the point of woman’s inferiority are strategic. She says she is willing to concede it, as long as it is actually proven. Give women education and then see if they really are inferior.

The arguments of all the women from this week’s readings tie together in their references to the ‘rights of men.’ The revolutions in America and France are a major part of the backdrop for these women. For Wollstonecraft, the “new constitution” and its makers are a major part of her intended audience. Wollstonecraft also seemed to really relay on the argument of reason as an ideal to support her arguments, a fact that ties in perfectly with the philosophical bases of the revolution to which she speaks.

Wollstonecraft also seemed to employ moralist arguments while avoiding theological arguments. She argued that giving women education and the ability to engage with things outside of themselves would add to the morality and virtue of women. However, despite her occasional references to God and the more important purpose of our lives (I can only assume she meant worshiping and living in the image of God), she never employed the argument that we were created equal or the many sayings and actions of Jesus that can easily be interpreted as gestures toward inclusively and equality. I wondered about this and what it also says about her intended audience.

January 19, 2006

Kristin can do it

..but will it work?

Lesley's entry

Hi, Bart, I am weaving on a loom.


Sorry, Simpsons reference for anybody who cares. Had to do it.

my email: john6077@umn.edu


Katherine's first entry

I like LiveJournal better than this system, but I'm happy to be here anyway.
Here's my address: ostro098@umn.edu

Jessica's entry

whoop, here it isnies0042@umn.edu

kbb test

tecnologically impaired... any kind souls willing to offer help should email me at beam0018@umn.edu

Pari's Entry

computers make me nervous.

Desiree's 1st entry

Here is my first entry. Will it work???

Jessie's entry

My very first entry.
lehr0041@umn.edu

Sarah's Entry

not much to say...
email is SaffronFix9@hotmail.com cause I hate the U email...

Maria's Intro

If you are interested in the U's Karate Club, send me an e-mail at volp0008@umn.edu or check out our website at www.tc.umn.edu/~karate.

Thanks!

Danka's testing

maybe we should try this with our students.. how can you see if/ who posted on the blog?

sari first entry

Sari misses her friends itty bitty kitten!!


612-32-Sarah (yep, that actually is my phone number)

http://myspace.com/sarigrahamGrah0191@umn.edu

Jen's Intro

I'm going to just copy Rachel and state that my email is mohnk033@umn.edu
and I have a my space blog which is http://myspace.com/nej_mpls
Its crazy and really needs work, but its like me.

Naomi test

Hi
Just making sure that this is working here....
here goes...

Rachel's Intro

Rachel is happy to be WoSt IT Fellow!

if you need help email me at raim0007@umn.edu

my blog address is http://blog.lib.umn.edu/raim0007/RaeSpot

Emily's Talking

Emily is talking about how crazy it is that we are all plugged in to these machines.

Here's my email!
coxx0135@umn.edu

how dumb is facebook? http://minnesota.facebook.com/profile.php?id=13917936

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Here is the end of Emily's Talking

Alyssa....

who needs verbal communication......we have blogs!