Speak Up

First off, the author speaks of his wife who is a "former lesbian". THAT is still a highly controversial and there is no proof that its anything more than a person caving into peer pressure. Another comment on that website: We're uncomfortable in the presense of heterosexual people (who we apparently call hets? i have NEVER heard that term used)? um, if that were really the case, i don't think any gay would ever leave their house because the vast majority of the world is heterosexual. The real question is why are heterosexuals so uncomfortable around us?

"Another threat homosexuality poses to our communities is that their extreme promiscuity and lack of relationship stability is causing an epidemic of incurable and terminal sexually transmitted diseases. These diseases pose a threat to the rest of us in several ways. First, the homosexuals don't just transmit these diseases to each other often killing innocent heterosexuals especially through things like tainted blood supplies or other methods of blood contamination." Extreme promiscuity? how many gay couples did you ever see making out in the hallways of your high school? chances are it was none. How many heterosexual couples did you see making out in the hallway? i bet it was plenty. Heterosexual people are just as promiscuous as homosexuals. As for the lack of relationship stability; provide us with some reason for relationship stability, and i'm sure it will happen, but as is, with out the right to marry, there is no incentive.

onto the comment about diseases, gays are NOT responsible for all STDs. Straight couples can get all the same STDs a gay couple can get. There is no justification in his saying that gays are responsible for STDs.

Further on in the article he says we have a culture of hate. This is just a stereotype, and a pretty stupid one at that. Everyone harbers prejudices, as much as people don't like to admit it. Gay mass murderers are no more common than mass murderers from any other social catergory.

In his closing lines the author claims we have a destructive culture. Gays are responsible for creating some of the great works of art. Da Vinci was gay, as was Carravagio, michealangelo (who painted in the great churches of italy) and plenty more. Art is creation. Gays have not been given a chance by society, the only side that ever gets projected to the masses is the promiscuous, stereotypical drag queen folsom street boy. This would be the same as saying all heterosexuals were like paris hilton. Its not accurate, the website bases all its "data" on a few observations, and is completely unscientific. To regard this as true data would be horribly misguided. This entire website is nothing more than another attempt to lump us all into one catergory to make it easier for people to hate us.

There is one problem with this. Diversity (yes, the dreaded d word). We're not all the same, some of us are just as sickened by promiscuous sexual acts, some of us are practicing christians/jews/hindu/faithful. Some gays do lead "normal" suburban lives. We're all people, just like you. So don't do a "study" and then talk about us as if we're animals. The only difference is the gender that we happen to fall in love with. Did you chose to be straight? Why would I CHOOSE to be gay? Think about that one for a minute.

Yes, there are some holes in that argument, but what argument doesn't have some holes in it? There is still some solid stuff. Anyone happen to catch this statistic: "A one year old child adopted into the average homosexual male relationship will have from 60 to over 70 step fathers by the time they graduate from high school." Whether or not it is true, you have to consider the children in these relationships. How would they feel growing up with 2 dads or 2 moms (or how would you feel if you were that kid), and what would they be like as adults? Other statistics (not from this site) show that when the father, mother, or both are missing from a family, the children are more likely to commit crimes later in life.

What about media attempts to cover up the dark side? Could this really be happening? ". . .after leaving the previous day's counseling, the butch went home, severely beat her lover, killed her lover, and then committed suicide. Not so much as a mention of this murder/suicide made any of the media."

The case described here may be isolated, but if it happened there it could likely happen elsewhere too.

No I am not saying all or even most homosexuals are like this; that would be stupid. But if rates of domestic violence are, on average, higher in these relationships, one must consider the wisdom in letting them be married.

Lastly, just because you disagree with one article doesn't mean all of them are junk. Did anyone read his ring of water theory about the universe (it is a lot more technical and scientific, not to mention a break from politics)? Any thoughts on that? I found it quite intriguing.

Not only are there many problems with the arguments on homosexuality, but the website on creationism has many holes, too. If our earth was started from another civilization, then how did that civilization begin life? The article makes sense when it explains how to create life. The explanation requires already existing intellegent life to create life from scratch, however. If life can be created from individual atoms, could it possibly be done spontaneously, without the help of intellegent life? The article doesn't explain this. It is interesting to think that we could be started from another civilization, but how did that life begin?

You must not have read the whole article (there are links to the next section at the bottom of each page, in case you didn't notice), but it is long so I don't blame you. To summarize: It is true that if you say the earth was created by an alien civilization, you enter a paradox - there would have to be an infinite number of alien races going infinitely far into the past. The solution to this is if the Earth-creator DID go infinitely far into the past. Carl Cantrell explains that this Earth-creator is the God that you are always hearing about, just in a more scientific and less religious way than usual (although there is still some religious stuff - if you don't like it you don't have to read it).

After he explains his theory on how the universe was created, he explains his theory on what it is like: that it is a disk surrounded by a ring of water. It sounds crazy at first but he has a good explanation of it.

Wow! That part of the website on homosexuality was outrageous. I felt lured into seeing some future facts in this article but found the ending of his summary pretty brutal. How big was his sample of the homosexual population?

I admit that I don't have a large sample size myself to base my opinions on but I have several gay and lesbian friends who don't live their life this way. They have been committed to each other for the length of many hetersexual marriages. Although, now that I think about it, this is the case with the lesbian couples more than the gay couples. Most of my straight friends that have never been married have many relationships that only last 3 months. Mine never lasted more than 3 months till I got married.

The hate part and domestic violence is scary.

The statistics on missing parents in a childs life are important to consider. My girls go to a school in southwest minneapolis where the principal is gay and in a committed relationship and has adopted children. There are other kids who come to school with two dads and two moms and the kids have adapted to this. The criticism these children will face, from others who can't accept lifestyles different from their own, will be harsh.

The comment Tom made about 'why would anyone choose to be like this' is one I hear a lot. Really, why would anyone? Shouldn't they be allowed to live their life differently even if it conflicts with our own? And if individuals don't choose to be homosexuals, what difference will it make, if a child is adopted, if their parents are homosexuals?

My best friend has a niece and a nephew (from heterosexual parents-her sister and brother-in-law) that have both turned out to be homosexuals- out of three children. The niece was found to be a hermaphrodite and all along they thought and raised her as a girl. She knew all along that she preferred girls. Perhaps there is some genetic predisposition. We don't know yet.

Friends, who are a lesbian couple, have taken turns being artificially inseminated and between them they have two sets of twins. What research is there to show that their chance of having homosexual children is higher than children born to hetersexual parents. Because there are many hetersexual parents having children who turn out to be homosexuals.

That's enough for tonite.

*sigh* it appears there is simply no argument against homosexual marriage that makes sense to non-Christians. I thought maybe Carl's article would show some of the dangers of it and convince some people it shouldn't be done, but I guess not.

I am removing the link to that article for now in order to focus more discussion on the creation/ring of water article, which was really the main point of my post; the homosexual one was just an afterthought. It can be accessed from the site's main page if you really want to read it.

Are you sure 51438 about this?!?