Ugly
Scott, 5 colleagues from work, and I were verbally assaulted last night on our way to a going-away party for a dear colleague. Our "crime"? Still wearing Kerry stickers and commenting that the "loser won the election."
As this was something akin to the straw that broke the camel's back, Scott engaged him, mostly just repeating the same thing the kid said back. No real argument, just language for the most part.
I get very, very discouraged when I'm confronted by conservatives on a public university campus. One would think that the students are here because they value education. Do they not realize that they may not have financial aid for much longer? or that tuition won't continue to increase as federal and state funding for higher ed becomes a negative rather than a dwindling number? Some of these people (and now I'm talking about conservatives/republicans at large, not simply students at a university) are only concerned that abortions become illegal and gay marriage remain illegal. Two things about which no one but the one or two people involved has any reason/right/responsibility/choose-your-favorite-word to say a damn thing about! Or, even worse, they do understand all of these things, and just don't care.
But simply calling the president a loser, and still displaying Kerry stickers meant, to this 19 to 22 year old that we were unpatriotic, shouldn't live in America, and were uneducated (at one point he asked why we hadn't graduated yet!--I mean, we'd been at the U for how long and hadn't finished?).
The audacity that this kid showed, to confront seven people, seems to be one of the uglier sides the republicans show these days. I'm reading a lot of commentary right now about the so-called "moral values" upon which many people voted, even if it wasn't in their economic best-interest. People voted for Bush based on "moral values" even if Bush's policies had cost them their jobs, possibly loved ones in various wars, their ability to finance a college education (or even a high school education), and caused them any number of other problems. I find this conservative moral movement profoundly distressing, and I'm not necessarily alone on this: the Ornery Liberal; Confessions of an Errant Mind twice; A Softer World in today's comic; Underblog Rides Again all speak about the "moral values" phenomenon of this election. Of course, in completely separate incidents, I've heard some people comment that others voted for Bush/publicans because they felt that Bush/publicans should clean up their own mess.
Op-Ed Columnist: Two Nations Under God
November 4, 2004
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Well, as Grandma used to say, at least I still have my
health. ...
I often begin writing columns by interviewing myself. I did
that yesterday, asking myself this: Why didn't I feel
totally depressed after George H. W. Bush defeated Michael
Dukakis, or even when George W. Bush defeated Al Gore? Why
did I wake up feeling deeply troubled yesterday?
Answer: whatever differences I felt with the elder Bush
were over what was the right policy. There was much he
ultimately did that I ended up admiring. And when George W.
Bush was elected four years ago on a platform of
compassionate conservatism, after running from the middle,
I assumed the same would be true with him. (Wrong.) But
what troubled me yesterday was my feeling that this
election was tipped because of an outpouring of support for
George Bush by people who don't just favor different
policies than I do - they favor a whole different kind of
America. We don't just disagree on what America should be
doing; we disagree on what America is.
Is it a country that does not intrude into people's sexual
preferences and the marriage unions they want to make? Is
it a country that allows a woman to have control over her
body? Is it a country where the line between church and
state bequeathed to us by our Founding Fathers should be
inviolate? Is it a country where religion doesn't trump
science? And, most important, is it a country whose
president mobilizes its deep moral energies to unite us -
instead of dividing us from one another and from the world?
At one level this election was about nothing. None of the
real problems facing the nation were really discussed. But
at another level, without warning, it actually became about
everything. Partly that happened because so many Supreme
Court seats are at stake, and partly because Mr. Bush's
base is pushing so hard to legislate social issues and
extend the boundaries of religion that it felt as if we
were rewriting the Constitution, not electing a president.
I felt as if I registered to vote, but when I showed up the
Constitutional Convention broke out.
The election results reaffirmed that. Despite an utterly
incompetent war performance in Iraq and a stagnant economy,
Mr. Bush held onto the same basic core of states that he
won four years ago - as if nothing had happened. It seemed
as if people were not voting on his performance. It seemed
as if they were voting for what team they were on.
This was not an election. This was station identification.
I'd bet anything that if the election ballots hadn't had
the names Bush and Kerry on them but simply asked instead,
"Do you watch Fox TV or read The New York Times?" the
Electoral College would have broken the exact same way.
My problem with the Christian fundamentalists supporting
Mr. Bush is not their spiritual energy or the fact that I
am of a different faith. It is the way in which he and they
have used that religious energy to promote divisions and
intolerance at home and abroad. I respect that moral
energy, but wish that Democrats could find a way to tap it
for different ends.
"The Democrats have ceded to Republicans a monopoly on the
moral and spiritual sources of American politics," noted
the Harvard University political theorist Michael J.
Sandel. "They will not recover as a party until they again
have candidates who can speak to those moral and spiritual
yearnings - but turn them to progressive purposes in
domestic policy and foreign affairs."
I've always had a simple motto when it comes to politics:
Never put yourself in a position where your party wins only
if your country fails. This column will absolutely not be
rooting for George Bush to fail so Democrats can make a
comeback. If the Democrats make a comeback, it must not be
by default, because the country has lapsed into a total
mess, but because they have nominated a candidate who can
win with a positive message that connects with America's
heartland.
Meanwhile, there is a lot of talk that Mr. Bush has a
mandate for his far right policies. Yes, he does have a
mandate, but he also has a date - a date with history. If
Mr. Bush can salvage the war in Iraq, forge a solution for
dealing with our entitlements crisis - which can be done
only with a bipartisan approach and a more sane fiscal
policy - upgrade America's competitiveness, prevent Iran
from going nuclear and produce a solution for our energy
crunch, history will say that he used his mandate to lead
to great effect. If he pushes for still more tax cuts and
fails to solve our real problems, his date with history
will be a very unpleasant one - no matter what mandate he
has.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/04/opinion/04friedman.html?ex=1100586869&ei=1&en=cc20b607e84dec9f
Comments
Whoops, forgot what I meant to start with - intolerance is wrong. It is always wrong. The only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner.
Posted by: Mom | November 15, 2004 01:16 PM
Every country makes mistakes, every leader makes mistakes. I know our form of government has been around longer than almost anything else at this point. It has its flaws, but I prefer it to most others. Canada, of course, is a good option. But they have people as stupid as we do. I am sorry Bush won the election, and I fear the legacy he may leave us in the supreme court. The one thing a Bush supporter said to me that made sense was, "I didn't want to change horses in the middle of the stream. And I think we needed to send a message to the rest of the world that we are in Iraq, and we are going to finish what we started." The US has had some bad presidents before and survived. What we need to concentrate on now is finding someone who in four years can wrest (Is that the word I want?) the government from the conservative right wingers. I consider myself a Christian, and a good one, but I agree that religion needs to stay out of politics. The constitution is not the place to define marriage, the supreme court has already decided on abortion, and God didn't give us brains so we could sit on our hands. Let the scientists use stem cell research.
Posted by: Mom | November 15, 2004 01:15 PM
I still feel like an American, I am not going to leave, and I am still even proud to be one. I don't think Bush is a good President - he's an awful one, but I can understand how people voted for him. Fear for one. A lot of people didn't though - almost as many as did. Kerry did a great job considering what he was up against.
Posted by: Philip T. Hunter | November 9, 2004 08:07 PM
The column is right about disagreeing about what America is or should be. Just today, discussing the election, a friend of mine said something to the effect of "I don't feel as much of an American"...and I realized I felt kinda the same way. I feel like I don't belong in a country that approves of Bush.
I don't know anyone who likes Bush. I sortof can't even understand wanting him to be president. There really seems to be two Americas.
Posted by: Dan | November 5, 2004 07:41 PM
and to add insult to injury--
Looks like the election may have been stolen again....
shrug--its not who gets the most votes that matters...it is who counts those votes.
http://www.fairandbalanced.us/docs/StoryID3375.htm
Posted by: noone in particular | November 5, 2004 11:23 AM
Wow, a face to face meeting with a true republican asshole. I'm impressed Scott showed restraint and didn't kick his dittohead ass.
Posted by: Doc Dregs | November 5, 2004 10:23 AM