Stephanie's questions, round 2

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1] Throughout the semester we've discussed the problems with representations of Native peoples and how to approach the Indian identity and tackle the stereotypes which have resonated in media until now. Do you agree with Kilpatrick's solution of focusing on "the stories Indians tell of themselves" in place of "telling a story about Indians" [Kilpatrick 179]? Please defend your position. Some things to think about include the fact that one Native person's experience is not every Native person's experience, and furthermore, if the cultural representations are meant for non-Native consumption, it might be easier for an ignorant consumer to defend the stereotypes they feel are either not cleared up or perhaps even added to by the American Indian's work.


2] Kilpatrick quotes Louis Owens talking about the exciting possibility of N. Scott Momaday being canonized in the literary world, which seems to assume that institutional incorporation and, to an extent, assimilation is considered a form of success. With this in mind, do you believe that the commodification and mainstreaming of Native works weakens or strengthens the cause? How and why?



--Stephanie O'Donnell


Sarah's questions, round 2

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In Chapter 6, Kilpatrick addresses a dilemma faced by Native and non-Native filmmakers alike, saying "Tell a story about a mixed couple who cannot be together and live - it's racist. Tell the same story and let them live happily ever after - the love story becomes a deadly form of assimilation. Make the Indians god guys and you're producing the noble savage stereotype. Show the Indians being bloodthirsty and you are likely to be shot by your own friends in Hollywood" (179). How can filmmakers to attempt to dispel stereotypes about Native people when situations such as these arise? Using examples from films we have already watched by non-Native filmmakers, how might these stories be told differently in ways that do not result in claims of racism, assimilation, or perpetuation of negative stereotypes, or is it always futile to try to avoid this dilemma?


Kilpatrick also highlights the importance of Native stories being told my Native voices in Chapter 6. She seems to imply that only Native voices can accurately portray truth when it comes to film, even if this truth is inevitably misunderstood by the dominant culture. In this vein, do you think it is impossible for a non-Native author to portray Native characters in an authentic way in film, or can this only occur through films made by Native filmmakers? Furthermore, is it possible for either voice to tell an authentic story that will accurately translate for viewers who are members of the dominant culture?

Brandon's questions, round 2

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In Kilpatrick's last chapter, the Indian American Aesthetic, she says that Hollywood can never tell the story right. She believes it is best that Native Americans tell their own stories. They should be their own directors. Rodney Grant, an Indian actor, has no problem with a story being told from a white point of view. He says without it, the story would not have been made. Has the American Indian image been so distorted, that only American Indians can tell their stories?


Aaron Carr, a film director believes that Native Americans need more directors and producers to tell their stories. He also believes in order for their stories reach more audiences, the directors and producers need more financing. Carr uses the example of Spike Lee being supported by Bill Cosby and Oprah as an example. Is taking control of the American Indian image a matter a financing? Or are their other barriers in the way?

Rochelle's questions, round 2

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1. In his article "Images of Native People As Seen by the Eye of the Blackbird" Darryl Kipp states that, "I cannot believe the stupidities shown to me as fact, and as a result much I see is absurd. .... I guess the difference between the real and the image of being Indians diverged and merged many times before I actually sorted out some of the differences." Using examples from the films and clips we've watched, what absurdities do you think each audience perceives as absurd? Which absurdities do they perceive as truth and why?


2. In Celluloid Indians, Kilpatrick quotes Leslie Marmon Silko's admiration of Victor Masayesva's filmmaking abilities. Silko states that his films "reveal that the subtle but persuasive power of communal consciousness, perfected over thousands of years at Hopi is undiminished. In Victor Masayesva's hands, video is made to serve Hopi consciousness and to see with Hopi eyes." Paying particular attention to the clips from Thursday's class, how might these films be rewritten to meet Masayesva's standards? Try to keep plot lines as similar as possible.

Nikki's questions, round 2

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1. There are a number of occasions in this chapter where Native authors express having difficulties with screenplay storylines because they use a circular, Native American chronology in their novels but on film it is much easier to follow a Euro-American, linear time line. Films written and directed by Native Americans are obviously going to be more accurate simply because they are not told about Indians rather they are by Indians but some argue that even these minor adjustments compromise the true essence of the story. Native American storytelling is very complex, some question whether or not film as a medium is actually a, "logical extension of the oral and visual communication of traditional Native American cultures." (Kilpatrick, 179)


With all of this in consideration what is your stance on Native American films? Do you think the omission of certain details affect the validity of the piece or do you think actions such as these are excusable? If so, why or why not?



2. Sam J. Miller's article "Haunting in our Homes: Nightmares of Gentrification" discusses the ways in which the horror film, specifically the subgenre of the haunted house film, acts as a symbol for gentrification. It also discusses how the audience believes in some way or another that, "what 'we' have was attained by violence, and the fear that it will be taken by violence. In the process, because mainstream audiences are imagined as white, and because gentrification predominately impacts communities of color, the racial Other become literally monstrous."


But what if these roles were reversed? How do you think a horror film about gentrification written and directed by Native Americans with Native actors would be received in mainstream society? What elements do you think would be necessary for it to be a success? And, do you think our society is at a point to finally, seriously address these issues?

Ryan's questions, round 2

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1. After reading "Haunting Our Homes: Nightmares of Gentrification" by Sam Miller and watching a few clips of horror moves like The Shining and Pet Sematary Two, you should know that filmmakers like to use Indian burial grounds in their films. But, why do you believe filmmakers use Indian burial grounds in movies? Why couldn't the burial grounds be burial grounds for a different kind of people, and why is that all Indian burial grounds hunted by evil Indian spirits?


2. In Celluloid Indians, by Jacquelyn Kilpatrick, she writes, "American Indians have been, for the full run of film history, a sort of weathervane of social and political currents. Richard Hill has noted that the image of the Indian changes with each generation" (178). We have seen that with the movies we have watched. From The Battle at Elderbrush were the Indians hurt or killed anything in their way to Running Brave were Billy Mils a Sioux won the Olympics. How would you describe the image of Indians that our generation has of them?

Joe's questions, round 2

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1.) Given the single "noble savage" stereotype that both Blueback and Cochise typify, the two characters represent two wildly different portrayals of "the Indian." Compare and contrast these two characters to help draw some conclusions about what they might say about views of Indians in America.


2.) Kilpatrick speaks extensively about the damage caused to Indian identity by the use of Indians as "the all-purpose metaphor for the oppressed" (77). In what ways does this generalization damage Indian identity? Does it in any way work towards a positive construction of Indian identity.


~ Joe Krall

Sunny's questions, round 2

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Do the readers and writers to the crowheaded thinking blog believe that nothing has changed with how moving picture shows shows sceneries and have talks that are repetitive as Kilpatrick says?"   If so, share some of those repeats.

 

Do you believe that the cutting edge technology that some of the moving picture studies used to stage stunts, did intentionally cause miscommunications' that an ax is a bigger hatchet tomahawk?  If yes, please provide some reasons, if no please provide some reasons and not sure please, please provide those reasons also... 

 

The Sympathetic 1980s and 1990s

 

About the movie War Party (1988) Sonny Crowkiller (Billy Wirth, says, "Same old shit.  Nothin's changed in a hundred years. (p. 106) And then a description of a closing scene from that moving picture is summarized by Kilpatrick.

"A cavalry lieutenant takes the weapon from his hand and gives it to his commanding officer, who is wearing a buckskin jacket reminiscent of Custer's.  In the film's closing scene, a National Guard lieutenant takes the same tomahawk from the hand of the chief's great grandson, and as he turns and looks back, the frames freezes and the credits roll.

There is no reason to see him take the tomahawk to the National Guard major; we know his is going to because that's what happened before.  Sonny is right. Nothing has changed (p.106-107)."

 

Since the character named Sonny is to have said "Same old shit.  Nothin's changed in a hundred years." Do the readers and writers to the crowheaded thinking blog believe that nothing has changed with how moving picture shows shows sceneries and have talks that are repetitive as Kilpatrick says?"   If so, share some of those repeats.

"Perhaps the best-known furor of the nineties was over team mascots.  In 1991, fans of the Atlanta Braves introduced the tomahawk chop as a war whoop, and it didn't sell well with Native Americans. As an editorial in the Minneapolis Stat-Tribe requested at the time of the Word Series, "Please, Georgians, leave your tomahawks, chants and head-dresses at home.  It's simply wrong to mock anther people, to use their cultural symbols crudely, to resurrect hurtful old stereotypes'."  And Nick Coleman of the St. Paul Pioneer Press said, "I hate to use a term like 'redneck,' but Atlanta deserves abuse.  A city of white folds wearing Indian costumes and waving toy tomahawks is a city in danger of getting such a good smiting from on high that [Gen. William T.] Sherman's outing will look like a backyard barbecue."17"

 

In the movie "Drums Along the Mohawk" 1776, American colonists Gilbert Martin (Henry Fonda) and Lana Borst (Claudette Colbert) are at their fenced in cabin and Gilbert is shown chopping and splitting wood logs near the wood pole fencing for a few seconds, and he has no armpit nor head nor hear sweat wetness from him using an big tomahawk   He is using a big tomahawk hatchet to chop and split the wood logs.   The difference would be a longer handle grip and maybe heavier cutting edge.  Do you believe that the cutting edge technology that some of the moving picture studies used to stage stunts, did intentionally cause miscommunications' that an ax is a bigger hatchet tomahawk?  If yes, please provide some reasons, if no please provide some reasons and not sure please, please provide those reasons also... 

 

Sunny La Pointe

Moira's questions, round 2

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In the fifth chapter of Celluloid Indians Kilpatrick comments on how many filmmakers in the 1980s and 90s attempted a revamping of old ideas of American Indians in film, but she says some of those films (specifically Stagecoach) were "a smashing failure."  She talks about the film War Party and how although it's intentions were to deconstruct stereotypes, its audience often fell short of realizing the intent of the filmmakers. Kilpatrick also touches on how that movie explores "the Native American sense of time as circular, rather than linear." Has history of American Indian in film been a circle of nothing changing for the past 100 years? How can we change this? Does Kilpatrick give us hints when she talks about the character Phil as a trickster inPowwow Highway? (117)

Also in the fifth chapter, Kilpatrick discusses the use of American Indian culture, ideas, history as a commodity (in team mascots, alcohol brands, even shops that sell "Indian spirituality through crafts and sweats"). She even explores the idea of the "native ecologist" as commodified idea. How are these things still perpetuated today? How does the ignorance of many Americans who still dont see the commodification of Native American ideas as harmful help perpetuate this? What can we do to change it?

Moira Pirsch

Lauren S.'s questions, round 2

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Lauren Scheller


1) On page 143, Kilpatrick says, "When an Indian woman is loved by a white man, she is almost certain to die?" Why is the tragic miscegenation love story the most common one in cinema that focuses on Native Americans? Does this type of love story help to further the concept of nationalism? Why or why not? Use examples from our readings and the films we have watched to support your answer.


2) Please support your answer with films and texts used in class. Of the films we have watched in class, do you think Running Brave gave the most positive portrayal of Native Americans? Why or why not? If you disagree, what movie that we have watched do you think gave a more positive portrayal of Native Americans?


Lauren Scheller

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