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Chapter 21: This chapter seemed to do a really good job of describing how teaching evolution in schools has been a controversial issue for decades. It was kind of unique that the writer explicitly includes how Riley opposed the evolutionist teachings at the University of Minnesota.

Tenets of Creationism: I found it interesting that under the “tenets of scientific creationism” they stated that “The universe and life have somehow been impaired since the completion of creation.” I had never heard that type of description before – the reading does go on to say that the earth was originally created as perfect, but it is currently a “now-decaying” creation. I suppose that does explain all the “hurt” in the world, but I don’t understand the meaning of it all. Why would God create something perfect – only to watch it slowly crumble? Wouldn’t God want to fix it?

Creation Museum: While touring the “walk-through” section of the Creation Museum website, I found it weird how they combined fossils and dinosaurs into the readings of the Bible. The T-rex dinosaur co-existed with Adam and Eve?

Preface: When reading the “preface” from the Evolution of a Creationist, Martin questions, "How can two such opposite ideas [‘scientific’ and ‘religious’ evolution] come about if we are exposed to the identical information?" What does he mean by IDENTICAL information? Most scientific evolutionary theories I’ve heard are completely opposite from what the Bible reveals. How can they be stated as being similar?
On a different note, Martin seems a little too blunt in believing that the world is ‘ruining’ the future generations from believing in Christianity/Creationism. The example he used with the student’s biology paper is maybe one in a billion. I find it really hard to believe that many professors are like that – no matter what subject they teach. And what happened to free-will? Martin suggests that we have to pound these Christian theories into children so that they don’t stray from their beliefs, but in the end, it is THEIR individual decision. What is wrong with allowing everyone to explore the different theories and choose for themselves what they think is right?

There are two things that struck me with all of these readings and websites. First, they are all from Evangelical Christians, and American Evangelicals to boot. Ok, so that in and of itself isn't much of a shock, but it occurs to me that there are no Imams raging against the evils of Darwinism, no Rabis pointing at Genesis saying that everything we need to know about life on Earth is right in there. Buddhists are silent on the whole issue of Biblical Creationism. Is there something in the American Evangelical strain of Christianity that makes some of them not only literal minded about Genesis, but also extremely vocal about it?

The second thing I found intriguing was the insistence on the physical evidence for a Six-Day Creation, but they don't take the time to enumerate what, exactly, this evidence is. The Institute for Creation Research lists all the forms their Research takes, but they don't link to any of the papers listed directly, (I had to dig around the site to find them), nor list where they are published, assuming they are published in reputable academic journals. If it can't be peer reviewed it isn't science. The site related to “Evolution of a Creationist”, http://www.biblicaldiscipleship.org/Creation_vs_Evolution/cve.htm, has a list of, well, inane logic games that do not make any sense at all. If you can't present your argument in a coherent format then again, it isn't science.

I did find something adorable and slightly disturbing in the Answers in Genesis museum walk though. At slide 19 they have a Tyrannosaurus exhibit, the caption of which says, “T. rex—the real king of the beasts. That’s the terror that Adam’s sin unleashed! You’ll run into this monster lurking near Adam and Eve. How’s this possible? Find out soon!” Um, maybe I skipped that part but Tyrannosaurs aren't in Genesis. Also, if Tyrannosaurs are punishment for original sin then wouldn't Christ be a bit redundant?

It is very difficult to base a stable theory on the Book of Genesis, because it’s kooky, and rattled with holes. Creationism base is Genesis which has a ton of weird messages that would be silly to live your life, including your scholarly life by. Some examples is that it is incredibly sexist, because of Adam and Eve’s consumption of a magic apple men and women are punished by having an eternal hatred for each other, it supports violence between men and women, and childbirth is also a punishment. Genesis also supports the domination of the human race over all other things on earth including the earth. Genesis also has contradictions such as the order of when things were created. How can creationists think that science can stably can side by side with Genesis? I can easily accept the idea that a force helped allow our universe to create itself; I like that form of creationism. But Christian Creationism I cannot faith in that because of the horrendous connotations that come with literally interpreting the words of Genesis. It is sexist, culturist, and supports certain types of violence, hatred, and prejudice. If I don’t believe in these morals written in Genesis, why should I believe the dicey science that it suggests?

The type of research used in Christian Creationism is the top down approach, which has many problems in its nature. The top down approach is the idea that you have a question then you find evidence for your question. If you look for evidence that there was a flood 5 thousand years ago, and you discount everything else you find, you will find something that supports the Biblical text. This is a poor scientific method because it is not subjective; these creationist scientists are spiritually invested in finding biblical proof. The bottom up approach is a much more sound scientific method. You observe something and then find an explanation of it scientifically. “Of all of our studies, history is best qualified to reward our research,” –Malcolm X

On online article by Martin, he talked about how big of a tragedy it is that 70% of Christian college students change their mind about their faith. Why is this a big deal? These are adults who supposedly have the power of free will, why cant the educate themselves and make up their own mind. If Christianity is the ultimate truth shouldn’t all people search and find this truth for themselves. This is one of my biggest problems with Christianity. It is extremely egotistical. It has an us vs. them mentality. God’s chosen people vs. the infidels, Protestants vs. Catholics, etc. And beliefs are forced on the world, which has destroyed so many cultures and beautiful traditions. Children are supposed to blindly follow this faith, and are not advised to find it for themselves. What a power trip Christianity is on.

It seems to me like there are 3 big and 'controversial' issues with the readings. First that Creationism is true, despite evidence to the contrary. The so called scientists who endorse this are widely regarded as completely a laughing stock by the academic and scientific communities. And also, this issue is only REALLY that big of a deal here. No one in Britain even thought that evolution should be an issue with people. I think it is a sad thing when the rest of the world looks at our country as a bunch of religious extremists who base everything not upon science but upon fervor. Especially in the modern world, where the US is attempting to battle other religious extremists. How can Creationist politicians rationalize their strict stance in creation, a faith-based idea, and call out others on their religious beliefs? How is that fair or justified?
Second is that Evolution should not be taught in schools. This is horrible. It is no wonder that so many American schools are way underachieving other developed nations in the science fields especially. Evolution IS scientifically accepted fact. Period. It should be taught as such. Creationism and Christianity does not belong in the science classrooms of our public schools (as both the Supreme Court and the founders of our Constitution intended!). There is no reason why those ideas cannot be taught in the religion/philosophy department, but there is simply no scientific standard for their placement in science.
And Third is that Creationism and evolution should face off directly (in schools and elsewhere). Again, the Supreme Court put a stop to this in public schools and rightly so. It is wrong to force children (especially non Christian children) to learn Christian Creationism. What about Hindu Creation? And Native American Creation? How let out and horrible would those kids feel? So to introduce ALL forms of creation ever accepted anywhere by anyone would take too long and present views that are certainly not consistent. So-- put all of the Creation stories in a religion class and teach evolution. Not one group's belief. Not a unsubstantiated position based on guess or blind belief. Evolution. A scientific proven fact.

THe Museum Site: Interesting. Again, for one limited point of view, I can see why people get caught up in it, but I just cannot recconcile how people can look at the world all around, abounding in evidence to the contrary and not say "Gee, maybe I am a little bit one-tracked".

Chapter 21-"Science and Religion"

I think it was interesting to read about the two different creationists: the strict and progressive creationists. Strict creationists believe that God created all terrestrial life, both past and present in less than ten thousand years ago. Others believe that one or more creations were prior to the seven days of Genesis. Between Darwin's particular theory of natural selection and creation, public schools looked to banning the teaching of evolution in public schools. Today, this is not a big issue like it was back then, but it still is a issue to teachers in schools. I remember in high school how we only talked about the certain aspects of evolution. Between the conflicts of people's faith and religion, I think it was best to do that. So much conflict arose because of this topic being taught in school. But once again, here is where science and religion make another conflicting matter. Another interesting part in the chapter was when Henry Morris made this statement, "..he concluded that Creation had taken place in six literal days because the Bible clearly said so and 'God doesn't lie'." So did creation literal take six days or ten thousand years? How is it possible for one person to create everything in this world in just six days? I think its amazing, if it is true.

Institute of Creation Research Tenets of Creationism

The ICR was a place I didn't know existed. This graduate school tries to reveal the truth of creation. It particular looks for people who are committed to personal spiritual maturity and desires to communicate truths about the origins and operations of the creation to the Christian community and the general public. It has a library that is full of specialized Biblical/theological collection. Literally, this is a school for creationists. The ICR also produced an informational session for young children called, "Faith Under Fire: Taking Creation Back to School". They helped young ones try to understand their constitutional rights, to have them better understand what they are being taught in every day life. So since students can't be taught this in school, I guess they can be taught here. Should this be allowed?

Creation Museum website

This museum is being set up to have people return back to the belief in the authority of the Bible and be presented with the life-changing gospel message. I think that if this museum does bring a lot of people to it, it wouldn't change people's perspective on creation. When I went though the tour, it really seemed kind of cheesy by what the little summaries of each slide said and showed. It might be able to catch younger people's attention, but not the older ones. First of all, this museum tries to proclaim the authority and accuracy of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and show there was a Creator, who is our savior. People need to have this belief first, before even wanting to go into this place. I think that if they don't have this, there is no chance that any of this information in this museum will hold interest to them.

"Preface"- The Evolution of a Creationist-Jobe Martin

I had a hard time getting this website up on my computer. But I did a google search, and found something related to it. This book is suppose to bring many conflicts between the evolutionary theory and the Bible. It says the Bible uses figures of speech...which I thought was interesting. Can anyone give me an example? It said that Martin was put to a challenge by his friends to prove to them the explanation of evolution was correct. He said that evolution was an idea that after the earth was formed, it took millions of years to produce organic molecules and many more millions of years of evolutionary processes and "survival of the fittest" to produce people. Where did we come from again? Martin wonders if we are dealing with a system of faith in eternal God or faith in eternal matter and energy. With this information, is there an infinite Creator capable of creating the universe and all it contains in six 24 hour days? If it wasn't God who did it, then who or what was it? Once again, it goes back to your faith, and what you believe in.

While I read chapter 21 of the book, I thought it was absolutely crazy to go through all that legal trouble to either a) ban evolution from schools or b) demand equal time for creationism. But then I thought, wouldn't it also be crazy if it were the other way around? I don't know about anyone else, but school hasn't directly taught that evolution is correct and creationism is wrong, but it was implied. While I don’t believe in creationism and I think the arguments for it are pretty weak, I can understand how important it is for some people that creationism gets equal time in schools. But you’re kind of on a slippery slope. If creationism and evolution should both be taught in schools, what about other ideas of religion and creation? While I can’t think of examples of other stories of creation, I’m sure they exist. Wait, there’s the Flying Spaghetti Monster. And teaching that would just be ridiculous. But creationism is also considered ridiculous to some people and that’s why someone made up the Flying Spaghetti Monster to begin with.

As for the Creation Museum, words can not even describe what I think. The vibe I got from the walk-though is that the museum is supposed to scare you, but in a fun way. It’s all about tragedy and mystery, like a “will they or won’t they” disobey God’s word. Of course they do disobey God and then you get to go through the First Shedding of Blood room and run into the “terror” of T-rex. I thought it was interesting that they incorporated dinosaurs and humans in the same time period. I thought it was just a given that dinosaurs came and went before humans even existed. But then you have to wonder, if dinosaurs and humans did coexist, how is that possible? I don’t know about anyone else but “Jurassic Park” taught me that dinosaurs beat humans every single time. I also thought it was interesting that the museum opens with a room all about gazing at the stars. Hasn't star-gazing taught us that these stars are millions, if not billions, of years old? If creationism is to be true, how is this possible? Or do the stars just not count when it comes to creation?

Creationism since 1859

This chapter did a good job of showing the changing tides in the battle between evolution and creationism. Just when it was thought that creationism was dying (as “liberal churchmen were beginning to follow their scientific colleagues into the evolutionist camp”), creation science organizations take root and begin to spread their message. Then Darwinian evolution resurges, followed by resurgence in creation science’s influence. This back-and-forth makes the issue confusing for anyone without a background in the sciences dealing with origins of the universe.

However, it seems to me that the age of the earth and Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection were based on observation first and conclusions second, while creation science is based on religious conclusions first and “how do I force my conclusions into something resembling a scientific framework” second. Though it could be claimed that both “real science” and “creation science” both have foundations in supposition, it seems to me that the development and defense of “creation science” as we know it was carried out solely to create a non-threatening alternative to evolution by natural selection.

Institute of Creation Research Tenets of Creationism

I really don’t know what to think of this list of Tenets… it seems like what I’d expect for an organization such as this. I think it is an attempt to sprinkle bits of science onto a firmly religious viewpoint.

Answers in Genesis

The museum walkthrough is very... interesting. The "slaughter of the innocent lambs" drawing was oddly (perversly) amusing. Such drama! Essentially, I doubt the museum actually has any genuine scientific basis for any of their claims, regardless of what they claim on the site. It would be interesting to vistit the museum in person.

What’s with the gun pointed at me on the front page, and the statement, “If God doesn’t matter to him, do YOU?” I investigated the link, and found that the author was trying to blame the theory of evolution for Columbine and the recent Amish school shooting. Ridiculous!

Evolution of a Creationist

The author’s statement that 70% of evangelical Christian youth lose their faith in the literal interpretation of the Bible in exchange for “other” worldviews is exactly correct. I just don’t know if that’s necessarily a bad thing in and of itself. (If ‘unethical’ and ‘objectionable’ behavior among these people happens to rise as a result of this loss of faith, it IS something to be alarmed by. However, the loss of faith in the literal interpretation of the Bible and in religious worldviews is not inherently bad, is it?).

I really liked the reading in chapter 21!! It had a lot of views and opinions. What is the real differences between strict creationism and progressive creationism? How does creationism and evolution effect each other in the world today? Those are some of the questions that I posed while reading chapter 21 about creationism and evolution!! The preface of the Evolution of a Creationist was pretty interesting!! I don't understand why professors actually talk to students that way when they talk about God the slittest bit!! It's really interesting how the kids decide to agree with the professor instead of going along with there own beliefs and there own faith they don't have to follow in the footsteps of there professors by keeping there belief in God a secret while they talk about science and evolution. I also don't understand why people can't say that God created earth, but also that evolution exists too its a possibility? I don't understand why you can't believe in creationism and evolution!!?? Well that's what I thought about the preface of that!! It was just very interesting to read about it!! The next thing that I will talk about is the Creation Museum Website. My first outlook on it is pretty good they have all the updated things at the top and all the none updated or old things that they have recently been talking about at the bottom!! the creation museum really points out the fact that God created everything right at the beginning saying that smell the fresh air that God created a direct quote from the Creation Museum Walk-through. I thought that was pretty interesting it's like they want to make you believe that God created everything or that they want people to get there faith back or restored by going to the museum and look at all the things that God has created!! But what would happen if you believed that evolution created everything in the world today and God only created parts of it? And what would happen if you believed that God created it, but evolution did to, and you also wanted to know how God did it? What would happen to you? Then to have a place in the museum were it says that you can look into the heavens and also that you can see God in reanacment on a screen in a room!! I don't know it looks like a place that trys to make you believe that God made everything and also that God is everywhere. Its a museum for people who love God and believe in God!! Next I will talk about the Institute of Creation Research Tenets of Creationism. I have never before ever heard of this place in my life it is an actual school that trys to explain creationism. They actually do research to try to find out about creationism and how it happened and what happened. I think this school is pretty interesting it gives people answers with research that they can back there facts up and really explain creationism to someone. They still talk about the science aspect of it though which is really cool because usually when a school trys to talk about both creationism and evolution it never works out because it is against the law to talk abot both at the same time and talk to about them like you believe both because you can only believe one, which is something that people believe I believe that you can believe in both if you really wanted to just like me!! I can see how both can be true and how they both mwy be wrong so I really don't have a side that I really believe over the other. Well that's all really I have to say abot the readings this week that were really interesting to read about and write about.

Chapter 21: I really liked how this chapter went about teaching creationism in school. I personally on the boarder. Some days I think that they should teach creationism then I think of why it is fair to teach one view of god’s creation but not include the other religions. Creationism is basically only the view of western religions and with it people don’t learn any other ways religion view creation.
Creation Museum: I thought the museum looked really cool from the walk through, although what I don’t understand is the fact that Adam and eve were around with T-Rex. I thought that museums were supposed to be intelligent, and saying that dinosaurs and humans were around the same time is really pushing the limits on common knowledge. Dinosaurs died many many years before the first man.
Institute of Creation Research Tenets of Creationism: I think that it was interesting that there is a school for creationism. I guess they get around the controversy in weather of not creation will be received. There will obviously not be anyone going against teaching creationism, if they chose to go to the college. This college is really odd to me though. I have never heard of colleges that start just to learn about one subject. I have never heard of a college so fart that is based only on weather the earth started on the big bang.
Preface: I think that it is really terrible that the author was so appalled by the lack of fate that many college students get when attending to school. I understand that 70% of student seemed to change there views, but it made them sound like it was the worse thing that could ever happen to someone. It really made me think of the movie we watched on Thursday, when the one mom said that if her daughter lost her fate she wished she had died. That kind of thinking really is too extreme, I mean come on your children are still your children.

"preface"
what really caught my attention in this reading was the example that the author gave about the science paper. i really find it hard to believe that all of the information was presented here. i can't imagine that professor's rant being entirely based off of the student's use of the word design. either way, i thought that those comments were pretty extreme, and can't possibly be based off of a common circumstance. also, the author goes on about how people are losing their faith after college. i like how the author refers to both science and religion being two different faiths. i'm pretty sure that science is exactly the opposite of a faith because of the fact that no amount of faith is involved in accepting factual information. and the areas of science that remain unclear at least humbly accept their uncertainty.

museum walkthrough-
this was a frightening little journey through history through the christian lens. most of the slides seemed intended to frighten people and continually remind them of god's power. i can only imagine how this could affect any number of impressionable, uncertain people. so bring your kids and scare them in to christianity!!!

Chapter 21
I had no idea that most Americans were against evolution during the early days of its conception. It was refreshing to find out that most Americans firmly held onto their religous beliefs and values while the rest of the world was conforming to a new scientific breakthrough, as it always does. I was surprised that schools in America actually banned evolution at one point, because as far as I can remember schools were banning creationist theories. However, I support Creationist efforts because I feel they are doing the right thing by including God in science. It's funny how theories like Creationism are not given much credit because they lack hard scientific evidence, yet the same can be said about the evolution theory and still many people accept it as pure science. To me it sounds like evidence is not the most important factor in science, it has to be evidence that omits God so it can be science.

ICR website
This is an interesting Creationist website and I like the freelance approach. I read the research section and thought it was really cool. There are several suggestions they have that all seem worthy of attention. I like the fact that there is no pressure for followers to be elite scholars, they can conduct their own investigations for the truth of creation and still have a meaningful impact.

Preface
The book by Dr. Jobe sounds very promising and some tremendously good points were made here in opposition to the evolution argument. What about cockroaches and turtles? They have been around for several millions of years and remain unchanged for the most part. If there is more scientific evidence like that in the book I think I will pick it up and read it. I have never believed in evolution, but my argument to it consisted mainly of God created everything. Which is true to me because I believe it, but it would be nice to have some other facts on my side when I argue in favor of a Creationist viewpoint.

Questions
Does Scientific Creationism ever deviate from the Bible?

Did Creationism as we know it today start here in the United States?

ch. 21
reading this chapter reminded me of previous chapters discussing the struggle to integrate science in to the predominately christian world. at this point in history though, the struggle seemed to be to integrate religion back in to the world which had become predominately scientific. i think that this says alot for the credibility of science and how is was becoming a definate struggle to keep the population interested in christianity

First off, I think it is absolutely ridiculous that evolution can be taught in schools, but creationism can. The argument is, evolution is proven, true, and there is no reason to teach anything else. However, I would like to see the written documents from 3 million years ago as to how life was. The truth is, all this information is simply assumed. How do you think the age of the first dinosaurs was calculated? Someone guesses how old the rock was and then guessed the age of the fossil in that rock. Furthermore, accounts from the bible do have evidence to back them up. There is evidence that the great flood occurred. And even if you don’t believe in creationism, isn’t it fair to let kids hear both sides? Everyone argues that is against the right of the children to teach creationism, but I can tell you personally that it was offensive to me to have evolution shoved into my face. There are two sides to every story.
I found the creation museum very interesting, and a place I would enjoy visiting. I think it holds very logical answers for creation. And as far as the ICR college is concerned, I think this would also be a very informative place to visit, and to hear the arguments they put forth. I had never heard of such a place.

For a series of articles labeled as the “creationist response” I found very little of substance and nothing which shed much light on actual arguments for creationism. The Creation Museum had rather extensive collection of articles explaining how there is so much evidence for Creationism and how it is impossible to think otherwise once properly educated, but does not, as far as I can tell, reveal what this evidence actually is. An article I read talking about “Creation: Where’s The Proof?” seemed like it would answer my query, but was instead a baffling circular argument that rambled about the definitions of the words “facts” and “interpretations” and “presuppositions” and then threw in a line about “and then include all the scientific evidence to support your point!” in the middle of its non-answer.

“Creationism Since 1859” was interesting, but didn’t say much about the specific arguments made in favor of creationism. “Tenets of Creationism” was a good overview of general creationist positions on broad topics.

The Preface of The Evolution of a Creationist was disappointing. Aside from some Bible quotations and insistence of just how astonishing his revelation was, the author doesn’t actually SAY much. At one point, a story is included about a professor harshly criticizing a students paper in a way which I would think would get him fired at any respectable university, which the author used to show how the “Humanist, Marxist, New Age, Islamic and Postmodern” professors in secular universities have an agenda to corrupt Christian youth. Is this really necessary?

I read a bit more in the hope that he’d actually get onto the content, but was instead greeted with an anecdote which went something like “I prayed to God that I would meet my wife the next day. The next day a beautiful woman showed up on my step and I married her! Wow! Isn’t God amazing!” At that point, my desire to wade through the rest of the text in search of useful information was at an all time low.

I have no doubt that there are plenty of actual facts out there which people have rationally interpreted in favor of creationist and young earth theories. What I don’t understand is why these sites do not state these as clearly and quickly as possible instead of making vague assurances, reaffirmations of faith, and unsupported comments about “all the evidence.” These things might confort someone who already believes in creation, but they do nothing to convince a skeptic.

Before I read Chapter 21, I did not realize that there are different levels or degrees of creationist. For example, some creationist literally take the story of Genesis that the Earth was created in 6, 24 hour days while others beleive that the 6 days represents much longer periods of time. Personally, I could possibly see the 6 longer periods as more reasonable. Also, I think it is interesting that there were only a few scientists who supported the creation theory and the majority of highly educated people rejected the idea. Sometimes I do think that you need to have a higher education in order to understand evolution so it is just easier for common people to accept the creation story.
I found the two websites about creationism cult like. I guess religion to me in general just seems a little cultish. I thought the creation museum website used a scare tactic. They stated that "evolution diminishes your worth and reduces human beings from being created in the image of God to mere players in the game of survival of the fittest." I believe this statement is true, but people should come to the realization that we are creatures just like other animals. That is why I think weak minded people are drawn to religion because it comforts them. They cannot handle the fact that we may really just die in the end.
After reading Jobe Martin's preface, I was kind of shocked to know that he is a highly education creationist who use to beleive in evolution. I think he like many other creationist are affraid of the fact that they are losing a large amount of young people each year. The article said that they are losing 70% of evangelical christians college students by the time they graduate after 4 years. They said how they need to contact them within the first 6 weeks of college in order to maintain their faith. Again, it sounds like recruiting for a cult to me. Also, it just shows that people with higher educations have more of a problem believing the whole creation idea and are more likely to accept the theory of evolution.

Preface to The Evolution of a Creationist-
This excerpt from the book gave me just another example of the ignorance of the extreme left and right sides of the spectrum when it comes to this debate. I would almost bet on the fact that the story about the professor writing that little note on the student's paper, seeing as I would see that as grounds for some sort of disciplinary action on the part of the university. The author talks about how the world and education system is brainwashing the kids to not believe in religion, while I feel that religion almost does the same thing, especially in extremely bias books like this one.

Websites-
When doing the walkthrough on the Answer in Genesis site, I felt like I was being explained creation as though I were a child. It's funny how they make every station sound exciting, like "Why is there death and suffering? The answer's in Genesis!" It sounded like they were excited to tell you how Adam and Eve ruined everything for us and now we should be happy to be suffering for God.

The ICR website gave a little bit more of an educated view with scientific articles on the subjects rather than illustrations with funny captions. It gave me hope that maybe there is a chance for some compromise between the worlds of religion and science.

Chapter 21-
One line sums this chapter up for me. "...the German soldiers who killed Belgian and French children with poisoned candy were agnels compared with the teachers and textbook writers who corrupted the souls of children and thereby sentencing them to eternal death." It's disgusting to me that the murdering of children is looked upon with a smile when compared to the teaching of evolution in schools. It may be merely an exaggeration to prove a point, but how far is too far when it comes to these religious zealots?

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