A recent study at Oberlin College in Ohio found that the more aware students are of the electricity they are consuming, the more likely they are to conserve. Click on "Download file" to view a .pdf of the article that was published in the International Journal of Sustainability in Higher Education.
Please replace all references to the word "dormitory" with "residence hall."
After discussion of the proposed building sites, the choices were narrowed to site 'A' and site 'C'. Walking through the sites and noting the pros and cons of each led to a decision of site 'A". Click on "Download file" to view .pdf
Four potential building sites were proposed as a result of the site location exercises. The sites are labeled 'A' through 'D' on the attached .pdf file. Click on "Download file" to view .pdf
Next committee meeting: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 – 4pm in the ORL conference room
Next Meeting (with LHB): Tuesday, December 4th in Oyate Hall in Student Center – Discussion on Sustainable features. 5-6pm committee only, then 6-9pm campus forum. This will be an opportunity for the UMM community to hear details of the project and voice their ideas and opinions in an open forum with the committee and architects. If you want to be involved in this project and want your voice heard, show up!
These exercises were led by LHB Architects to help develop the building program. Click on "Download file" to view the results.
These exercises were led by LHB Architects to help develop the building program. Click on "Download file" to view the results.
These exercises were led by LHB Architects to help develop the building program. Click on "Download file" to view the results.
These exercises were led by LHB Architects to help develop the building program. Click on "Download file" to view the results.
UMM Green Residence Hall Minutes
11/8/2007
Attendance:
- Henry Fulda
- Julie Phelps
- Becky Landenberger
- TJ Ross
- Andy Sharpe
- Maureen Ness – LHB
- Kim Brethime – LHB
- Michael Schroeder – LHB
- Dean Carlson
- Tim Soderberg
- Paul Oelze
- Mike Reese
- Robert Thompson
- Troy Goodnough
- Jackie Zimmerman
- Katie Laughlin
- Karen Ellis
- Sandy Olsen-Loy
- Vicki Graham
Phases:
- Programming
- Schematic Design
- Design Development
- Construction documents
**Not dealing with building issues right now, that will come later. We just need to work on a design or development process so ideas are there. After that, large group planning meetings do not need to happen anymore.**
Will hire a commissioning agent for this project. Once Board of Regents approves, then we will register the building.
UMM-Y and Prairie Influence – What’s up with those?
- Words give ideas and thoughts on what the building looks like and what is wanted is a better vision of what “UMM-Y” and Prairie Influence means to us.
Update on Master Plan:
- Revision of 1995 Master Plan, September 19.
- Went through ideas on what they want to see in UMM, but the process is moving slow because the next meeting is not for another month.
- We cannot wait for the Master Plan committee, but we don’t know what the master plan will hold.
- Dave from the Master Planning committee group might have to be contacted to figure out what we need to do.
- Master Planning mentioned the sites: North of the East parking lot (East of the barn)(A) or outside of Gay Hall education area (C).
- Miller field outside of science and math is seeming pretty ‘sacred’ and people don’t want to lose it.
- Keep the process moving, we are not going to betray the Master Plan process.
- East of community services or west of the barn is also pretty ‘sacred’ and want to be kept as a green, open space.
- Robert Thompson will be able to be our voice in the Master planning process.
Michael went through the issues of each site that we have chosen as per the papers given by LHB for use today.
- Information given about each site
- Relation to the master planning guidance
- Neighborhood context
- Function
- Expansion potential
- Site spaces
- Views
- Prominence
- Site features
- Sustainability
- ‘Personal’ preference
Preferences:
- Prairie Influence – Site A really feels prairie influenced, one of the spaces where you will truly have it on the prairie. In the views section, that is mentioned. Grand entrance with families coming onto campus with a nice looking building coming off of 59. More space to replant natural plants. Closer to apartments and other on-campus entities.
- Site B should be eliminated because it is very far out there and D should be eliminated because it seems to be a very faculty/ academic centered area without much space for growth.
- D is difficult to envision a building. Would be nice to have Pine Hall to have neighbors. Cutting out the vision that Pine already has.
- Blakely might be able to serve us in another capacity.
- B is across a busy, slippery road. Potentially might need a drop off or parking area. Seems very far out in the prairie.
- The master plan has a road from Prairie Lane to go to the turn around at HFA, it may go around the barn and back.
After the walk around campus:
- Site A tended to be the winner with more open spaces and options to grow as well as less trees to cut down.
- Went through the building diagrams: building with corners, longer building with wings, or interconnected pods.
- Site A: Orientation to generator, Prairie Lane, current steam and other infrastructures, good access to parking, the view, get people to get out and come to the buildings. Outdoor features would be a place for people to go too. Having people walk through as a community will walk if the walk way was there leading from-to campus. Can have more of a direct effect with the bike path.
- Image show and tell from Sandy
Please sign up to help get the word out to all other campus student and faculty entities! Looking for two people for each group if at all possible to keep each other in check.
*****There IS a difference between a dormitory and a Residence Hall. Residence Halls have living, community, communication, education, a spirit. A dormitory seems like a barracks, a place where you only go to sleep. Please try to use the Residence Hall language appropriately. *****
Next campus meeting: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 – 4pm in the ORL conference room
Next Meeting (with LHB): Tuesday, December 4th in Oyate Hall in Student Center – Discussion on Sustainable features. 5-6pm committee, then 6-9pm campus forum.
Please look at the Tufts website that Maureen sent out to all of us.
UMM has selected LHB Architects as the firm to guide us through the design and building of the GPLLC. Their team includes:
Architects: Rick Carter, Kim Bretheim, Maureen Ness
Landscape Architect: Michael Schroeder
Structural Engineer: Stephen Hearn
Civil Engineer: Dan Shaw
Cost Estimating and Construction Administration: Roger Purdy
Mechanical Engineer: Peter Potvin (LKBP)
Electrical Engineer: John Killeen (LKBP)
Mechancial Engineer Consultant: David Williams
Interior Design: Jill Johnson
What should this building look and feel like?
What is the most important component of sustainability this building should have?
What is the most important residential life component this building should have?
August 2007:
-release RFP for architectural/engineering services
-arch./eng. firm informational meeting at UMM
-review arch./eng. proposals and notify candidates
September 2007:
-initial UMM planning meeting
-arch./eng. interviews on campus
-choose arch./eng. firm
October 2007-December 2007:
-planning team meets with arch./eng.
-develop project program, choose building site
-planning meetings continue on bi-weekly basis
January 2008:
-predesign and schematics complete
January-March 2008:
-design development
-update meetings with planning team
April-June 2008:
-construction drawings
-update meetings with planning team
Late Summer 2008:
-construction begins
August 2009:
-project completion
-students live green
The UMM community members who meet regularly are:
Henry Fulda - Student Life/Residential Life (Co-Chair)
Sandy Olson-Loy - Student Affairs (Co-Chair)
Karen Ellis - Continuing Education/Summer Session
Troy Goodnough - Plant Services
Vicki Graham - Faculty
Jamey Jones - Faculty
Katie Laughlin - Student
Julie Phelps - Residential Life
Mike Reese - WCROC
TJ Ross - Residential Life
Andy Sharpe - Financial Aid
Tim Soderberg - Faculty
Dave Swenson - Student Activities
Robert Thompson - Plant Services
Jackie Zimmerman - Student/Residential Life
PROGRAM STATEMENT for
RESIDENTIAL LIFE GREEN PRAIRIE LIVING & LEARNING COMMUNITY
University of Minnesota, Morris
July 2007
Background
A new residential life Green Prairie Living and Learning Community will leverage University of Minnesota, Morris student recruitment and retention, green campus and renewable energy initiatives. The Green Prairie Community will provide contemporary undergraduate student housing during the academic year, replacing Blakely Hall* (constructed: 1920, capacity: 77), and complete the university’s work upgrading fire and life safety systems to include sprinklers for all UM residential space. The Green Prairie Community will advance UMM, University of Minnesota and Green Prairie Alliance partnerships through integrated green living and learning spaces, including a summer focus on collaborative research, scholarship, and outreach related to renewable energy and sustainability.
UMM has been cited for its environmental leadership by the US Environmental Protection Agency. UMM is a member of the Association for the Advancement of Sustainability (AASHE), the American Council on Renewable Energy (ACORE), and the Presidents Climate Commitment Leadership Circle.
* Blakely Hall will serve as swing space for UMM’s Community Services/Gateway renovation project prior to rehabilitation as an educational program space.
Project Objectives
The University of Minnesota, Morris 2007-08 compact calls for the campus to leverage sustainability, energy and “green” initiatives as a means of securing market niche and advancing the overall University of Minnesota mission as an innovator and leader in this area. Primary objectives of the Green Prairie Living and Learning Community project are to:
1) Strengthen University of Minnesota, Morris student recruitment and retention efforts with a contemporary living/learning facility aligned with UMM’s current green campus leadership;
2) Provide attractive, contemporary on-campus housing for 60 to 80 undergraduates during the academic year, and adult and youth participants in UMM and Green Prairie Alliance programs during the summer, replacing Blakely Hall as a residence hall facility;
3) Advance and leverage Morris renewable energy initiatives;
4) Continue leadership through education, research and demonstration in sustainable resource conservation, with green building design (i.e. heating/cooling via solar, wind, biomass, and/or geothermal; green roof; water conservation; natural lighting, local sustainable building materials.) and real-time energy monitoring systems for a model platform for sustainable living and learning.
The green housing community will enhance UMM’s residential life experience, supporting the Morris mission of preparing graduates to be global citizens who are civically engaged and effective stewards of their environment. The facility will offer an integrated, smart living/learning environment for 60-80 UMM undergraduates, including students participating in the new Morris Environmental Student Scholars program and proposed Environmental Studies major/Environmental Science minor curriculum.
During summer months, the Green Prairie Living and Learning Community will support partnerships with the various renewable energy projects at UMM, the West Central Regional Outreach Center, and the USDA Federal Soils Lab—all located in Morris. It will house and provide learning spaces for researchers, visiting scholars, undergraduate and graduate students, and engaged citizens--for research, workshops and programs linked to the community based renewable energy platforms in Morris. In addition, high school and adult participants in other expanding UMM summer programs (e.g. Summer Scholars) will also reside in the facility, gaining exposure to a sustainable living environment. Current residential life facilities do not offer amenities to support an adult summer program (e.g. air conditioning, more private living spaces.)
The design will support community building, collaborative research and human interaction (social facilitation) conducive to building intellectual and working ties among students from different disciplines with core common interests. Air-conditioned living spaces, rooms for conferencing and collaborative learning, and space to support summer researchers will be part of the facility program.
Project objectives leverage UM green investments in Morris and advance UMM’s primary goals of increased enrollment, greater visibility, and diversified revenue streams, all critical to UMM’s future.
Program Assumptions and Space Allocations
The following planning assumptions are agreed upon by the University of Minnesota, Morris, its Chancellor and the President:
1. The new Green Prairie residential life community is intended to provide smart living and learning space for 60 to 80 undergraduate students during the academic year. During the summer, the Green Prairie Community will house and provide research and learning spaces for students, researchers, visiting scholars and citizens in programs planned by UMM in strong collaboration with University of Minnesota and Green Prairie Alliance partners.
2. The green residential living and learning community will continue UMM’s leadership, through education, research and demonstration in sustainable resource conservation.
The cost of the project will be determined during the predesign/schematic design study and should be approximately $6 million. Funds will be provided through University of Minnesota bonding and UMM Residential Life reserves. A full funding plan will be confirmed in Fall 2007.
3. The new living community will replace residential student housing currently provided in Blakely Hall, with an anticipated project completion of Fall 2009. When the new spaces open for student housing, Blakely Hall will become swing space (for Community Services/ Gateway construction and Library renovation) prior to its rehabilitation as academic space.
4. The project will be designed for the possibility of additional units accommodating 30-40 students being added in future phases to support projected enrollment growth on the Morris campus and to increase the portion of students living in on-campus housing.
5. Green design should enhance the operating efficiencies of the facility. Operational costs will be covered by the University of Minnesota, Morris through student housing and summer program revenues. A full business plan will be developed and adopted through the predesign process.
Green Residence Hall Minutes
University of Minnesota Morris – 10/25/2007
Introductions and attendance:
- Julie Phelps
- Henry Fulda
- TJ Ross
- Sandy Olson Loy
- Rick Carter – LHB
- Kim Brethime – LHB
- Maureen Ness – LHB
- Dave Swenson
- Mike Reese
- Troy Goodnough
- Paul
- Dean Carlson
- Tim Soderberg
- Andy Sharpe
- Karen Ellis
- Michael Fisher
- Becky Eid
- Robert Thompson
- Vicki Graham
Purpose of today: Broad discussion of the residence hall
Res Life staff talked to LHB about the building program for the new hall and talked about process when at the meeting to get all ideas. We also want to see how we interact with the broader community. Want to focus on what they see, what is in it, we also want to look at a site and look at program and sustainability very broadly. Site will be next week, then sustainability after.
Exercise – Describe this place – Year 2010 and you are describing the building to the student, what it looks like and feels like. Use 10 words or less, adjectives. Be very concise.
- Beautiful
- Waiting list
- Designed to fit topography
- Contextual
- Communal
- Comfortable
- Sunny
- Home
- Interactive
- Warm
- Inviting
- Memorable
- View
- Inspirational
- Wide Hallways
- Tall Ceilings
- Made of local materials
- Natural materials
- Healthy
- Futuristic
- Economical
- Allows for privacy
- Fosters community
- Bedrooms more than a cubby-hole
- Informational
- Educational
- Demonstrative
- Engaging
- Efficient
- Solid, made to last
- Noticeable
- Unique
- Sustainable
- Life Changing
- Clean water in, clean water out
- Carbon neutral/ carbon negative (positive, whatever)
- Non-institutional
- Accessible
- Minimal footprint, carbon and physical
- UMM-y – Like it belongs on campus
- Challenging
- Cozy, homey, comfy
- Safe environment
- Prairie
- Energy positive
- Maintainable
- Collaborative
- Liberal Arts-y
- Celebrates history
Exercise – Ideas – Put together ideas in a group and talk about it then present to each other group. Ideas may be drawn. 15 minutes.
- Community Space in entrance – Doors for each floor, you must go through lounge, TV or study space on the main floor
- Community kitchens in each pod, growing foods, big table for food, local food, agriculture shares, green house connected with community garden and community kitchen.
- Individual energy monitoring, room or suite or pod level. Courtyard area, partially or fully enclosed outside.
- Warm inviting place, baked cookies, walk up to with a historic entrance
- Room design, Japanese, ship, slide open doors with blinds, so you can see if people are living, people were around. Big room windows in each room.
- Green house common space, lounge being used as a green house, almost tropical, dome or traditional style. Long traditional green house. Sustainable community, but recreational as well. May have 40 students wanting to garden, so might need a fairly large green house.
- Great entrance room, residential living room, fireplace, skylights, soft sofas and chairs, gathering space.
- Centerpiece entry, solar panels over the extended panels of the entrance of the building.
- Warm sunny spaces, lots of windows to reduce light usage
- Dutch Doors and transom windows
- Green Roof – grow things on roof
- Porch place
- Experiment space to experiment with alternative energy
- Students taking ownership through taking care of the space, providing workshops for campus and community, brushing off solar panels.
- Families can have green weekends to learn about sustainability, grow flowers and sell in student center
- Geothermal
- Windows on two sides of each room, large windows
- Private and public space transitioned with buffer zones and area for all the community
- Earth-lover’s lodge, main lodge with welcome space with porch, fireplaces, rec rooms, educational rooms, recycling sheds attached, real-time energy, solar panels
- Sculptures and aesthetics, large strange curious sculptures
- The look – Fireplace for heat and community building, windows with seating space, large windows for cross air ventilation, brick built and hardwood floors. Lots of open room by the hall with large green house next to hall.
Residential Life went over the needs for this hall: The design, bedrooms, living areas, bathrooms, kitchens, laundry facilities, custodial closets, Residence Hall Director Apartment, Resident Advisor rooms, Main entry, Meeting space, Gaming/TV space, Lounge spaces, Recycling, Trash, Security, Outdoor spaces, Lighting, Storage room, and Miscellaneous (sprinklers, accessibility).
Residential Life talked about community and what a residence hall should be for a beneficial community. Resident Assistants, community building and why some of the areas are necessities in order to live in a residence hall.
LHB handed out the UMM Living and Learning Community Building Program they made to the group as a beginning for the group to go off of. Will be part of the future discussion on what to build off of or take away from.
Exercise – Location – Circle the site of the new residence hall on a campus map and why you think the site should be there.
Exercise – Imagine what it looks like – You are sending a postcard to the student you convinced to come here and am sending them a picture postcard of the building and put a stamp on each picture that feels right for you when thinking of the residence hall.
Logistical Items:
- Sandy: Engage and keep people talking and communicate, a lot has happened in a few weeks, committee should meet next week to talk about how we want to engage people in the process through groups, we want to make sure that everyone is involved that wants to be involved, wants everyone to meet next Thursday, November 1st from 3:45pm to 5:30pm in the ORL conference room.
- Kim: Need to start out broad, which is why we did these exercises, make part of the discussion next week about learning opportunities from one side to the others, we will get all information together and e-mailing it to who the information needs to go to, we will be going forward with certain ideas and crossing out other ideas that are not very popular, in two weeks site, two weeks after that sustainability.
Find pictures of things that you really want and bring them or e-mail them to forward to the group.
Exercise – If I had a million dollars – You have $1,000,000 to invest in whatever idea that you are interested in. All done on the way out of the room.
Next meetings:
Campus committee meeting – November 1, 2007, 3:45pm – 5:30pm, ORL conference room
LHB and campus committee meeting – November 8, 2007, 3:45pm – 5:30pm, ORL conference room
LHB and campus committee meeting – November 29, 2007, 3:45pm – 5:30pm, ORL conference room
UMM Green Residence Hall Meeting
10/15/07
Green Learning and Living project – LHB
Attendance:
- Rick Carter – LHB
- Kim Brethime – LHB
- Moreen – LHB
- Sandy Olson-Loy
- Jackie Zimmerman
- Karen Ellis
- Jamey Jones
- Robert Thompson
- Andy Sharpe
- Dave Swenson
- TJ Ross
- Henry Fulda
- Julie Phelps
- Dean Carlson
- Becky Eid
- Tim Soderberg
- Katie Laughlin
- Troy Goodnough
- Lowell Rasmussen
Went through the Goals and Sustainability Goals that LHB put together for the project.
- Wants to be LEED NC certified for sure and be registered and follow B3 guidelines
Future of meetings
- Consistent meetings every few weeks with ideas from now until January
- After first part of year with a schematic, move into design, then meetings will probably drop off; every two weeks
Went through residence hall grand totals:
- To show where Residential Life currently is when looking at expenses
- Occupancy is down in each hall
- Looking at replacing Blakely Hall
o Believe that new Residential Hall will retain more students on campus
o Means of recruiting new students – a large amount of students who do not come to UMM indicate they do not come to UMM because of the residence hall facilities
o Blakely Hall is the only hall in the MN system that does not have sprinklers
- Wants to make something transformational and state-of-the-art; make students want to stay on campus
- Six Year Capitol plan – For the support of the current residence hall renovation projects
o Wants to continue upgrades of each hall per the six year plan
o Money already allotted
- Room Configurations
o Went through the typical residence hall room set ups and proposed suite concept
o Students like privacy and also want social interaction
o We want to give them a place that is uniquely their own, but also have shared spaces available to them for social interaction
- Blakely hall focus group – Information is over two years old
o Privacy
o Move around furniture
o Task lighting
o Sound proofing between rooms
o Homier feel
o Move away from the concrete blocks
o Three focus groups with six to seven students each group: first and second year students, Blakely students, off campus students
o Naming the community a ‘living/ learning’ community would not be good because the students already know the students in their majors, want to meet other people
o Themed floors, shared interests, are very popular and well received
o All single rooms currently are filled and there is a waiting list, but some students feel that some single rooms are too small
o Looking at possibly having single rooms with bathrooms to appease summer folks
o A lot of information came from the Educational Benchmarking Institute (EBI) annual survey
o Studying and sleeping well along with noise seem to be some of the biggest issues
- Sought funding for Green Prairie Scholars to be in on this project to live in one portion of the hall or hold a summer experience – decision will be made on this in the next 8-10 months – Need to partner with others for this decision
Furniture
- Wardrobes
- Flexible
- Adaptable
- No kitchenette in rooms, but bigger community kitchen
LHB:
Budget –
- Cost per bed and cost per square foot – will have to figure that out
- Corridors have a large effect as well, small like Gay or large like Spooner
- Character
- Which class it is geared for
o Freshman or upper-class or mixed
o Make rooms smaller to get students out to interact
- If anyone wants a tour, talk to Sandy
- Looking at a $4.5 million construction
o One large grant applied for against many large schools, will know in December
- Concrete construction - $200 per sq.foot (variable with technology), save money with a wood frame
- Could focus on number of beds depending on inside rooms and program if number of beds
Choices –
- Site of residence hall
- Summer programming designs for conferences
o Private baths with rooms
o Air conditioned building for groups to stay in
o Week or two using rooms in different buildings
o Informal programming/meeting/viewing space – white boards, movable tables, movie/computer capability
o Demonstration area to show facility options, some sort of welcoming area for students
- Classroom in the hall
o Learning as function
o Learning as instruction
- Building occupant information center
o Smart readers with communication with power company
o Information kiosk with real-time information of where the power is coming from, carbon footprint panel, and cost of energy use; percentages of cooling, heating, electricity, etc.
o Could be linked to research with energy usage for each room, tracking system used for research purposes
- Utilities
o Talk to Robert
o Probably no tunnels there
o Records office for utility atlas – Al Matson or Cook
Questions:
Minimum bed sizes
- 180ft = good, 150 may be too small
- Furniture
- Square feet of each room
- Wants all single sleeping arrangements
- Rooms
o Data, lounges, laundry rooms, windows, veranda
Information
Security
- Card access
- Locks
Accessibility
- All rooms
- All bathrooms
Any questions, talk to TJ Ross about information
Structure Requirements
- U of MN requirements
- Sustainability requirements
Have a few points of contact, but everyone will be here at the meeting every two weeks
- Have a focus group of students
- Have two different groups meeting at the same time
Other renovated building
- Have osmosis
- Have other green opportunities
- Solar in Starbuck, other local green opportunities in St. Cloud
Demonstration building
- Biomass, wind turbine and green residence hall, Equine center, center for small towns
- Firms want to be featured
LEED certification
- Because of the steps already taken on UMM campus, where do we want to go with green concepts for the hall
o Be beautiful with a minimal carbon footprint
o Composting toilets, solar, water, prove that the footprint is lower, recycled
- Res halls are shell intensive, not interior intensive
- Deal with ventilation and creating power
- Telling the story about the energy already being created
- Controllability – that could be done later with technology
We need time to come in and do some dreaming
- Next meeting, invite other people to come in and dream what we would like to have in this hall
- Then the following meeting LHB will come back and share information with us
- A foundation will be set by residential life and has the possibility of trumping the ‘dream’ ideas
- Give design team goals, even if they can get donated, so they can have thoughts to go off of
- Must follow code at the very least, can produce a building that can make as much energy as it expends. Operational payback of 100 years. Want operational payback of 10-15 years.
- List of givens, dream list, and some parameters of operational budget for a period of time (economics) – BASIC REQUIREMENTS
- Looking at having a program for next meeting
o Residential Life needs to generate the list of Residential Life requirements with help from the questions and building points LHB gave us
o Email should be sent out asking others for dream options to talk to a committee member if they want to for next meeting
o Building program is a list of rooms with optional room sizes, should have that by next meeting
o Faculty members will think of what they want
o Physical plant will be thinking of what they can do
o Summer occupancy in this hall as well
o Tell LHB or bring in examples of specific buildings you’ve seen or know of that you would like to have ideas put in to our building
Strategy to get to a site location
- Two sites
o South of Gay, by Science Building
o West of barn
o Open space and connected to other residence halls on campus
o Most conversation was outside of barn, but one student thought by the barn was too far away from academics
o Both outside of historical area
o Students utilize green space by science more than by the barn
o Most parking by the barn
o Parking lot may be up for grabs
o Leaning towards the barn area
- Appearance
o Brown brick, gray concrete is a negative
o Building that fits with the rest of the buildings
Doesn’t have to be brown brick
Needs to look like it belongs here, like the rest of the buildings
How UMM feels
o Hip roofs – captured in many other buildings on campus
o Bio Mass building will be wood paneled on outside, but wanted to make a distinction
Bring up any ideas
Just may look at them
o Master Plan meeting for UMM
May need to look at that to decide some things about appearance or where
Lowell is going to the meeting
Scheduling a future meeting:
- Thursday and Friday afternoons – Friday is probably out. How about Thursday afternoons?
- Time? 3:30pm to 5:30pm on Thursday afternoons
- Next meeting – October 25, 2007 at 3:30pm to 5:30pm