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April 11, 2007
Odds and Ends
• First things first, Freealonzo and I will be at the new ballpark unveiling tomorrow at the Hennepin County Government Center in downtown Minneapolis. So, if you see me and Free, stop us and say hello.
Needless to say, I am quite excited about seeing the new designs. Very, very excited. Mylometer gave a nice little synopsis of Jerry Bell's description of the new ballpark design on the game tonight:
If you're watching the game right now, they're talking to Jerry Bell. Just showed some pictures of the stadium but not too detailed. Looks like 10-15 rows of seats in left field from LF line to the LF gap and green trees in CF. Gates to be named after retired numbers.
The retired number gates looked pretty slick. Bell mentioned gates 29, 3, and 34. So, when going to the ballpark we could be entering through Gate 34, for example. Man, I can't wait to see those designs!
• The County sent me the text of the resolution itself (07-184) that was approved yesterday. Just so we keep reality in check, here is what the resolution says about the negotiations with the railroad:
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Board authorizes the County Administrators to execute the authority granted in the Act and by the court in the Action to acquire the property for the ballpark site through quick-take procedures by depositing the County's amount of the appraised value, $13.35 million, into a court escrow account; provided, however that (1) this authorization to the County Administrator does not take effect until the Twins, the Authority and the County have jointly proposed to the BNSF Railroad a legally binding agreement sufficient to satisfy the County and the Authority that the Twins are responsible for all BNSF insurance, indemnity and liability concerns as provided in the 2007 Principles; and (2) the County Administrator shall not exercise such authorization or execute quick-take unless the Team and BNSF railroad have provided a legally binding agreement sufficient to satisfy the County and the Authority that the Twins are responsible for all BNSF insurance, indemnity and liability concerns as provided in the 2007 Principles ...
Phew! So, the Twins and BNSF need to button up the liability (insurance and indemnification) issues of the railroad. Then the county administrator will have the authority, without another Board action, to deposit $13.35m to the court escrow. It sounds like they have until April 30 to get this done. From what I hear, it shouldn't be a big deal, but we should all be aware that this is happening. If anyone has any other insight into this, please feel free to share.
I also have a copy of the 2007 Principles. I may scan those in, if anyone is interested in them. I expect they will be made available on the Hennepin County web site soon.
• There has been some good discussion concerning building a ballpark without a roof, and I apologize for not participating. A lot of these arguments I've already written about over the 3 years writing on this blog. For example, back in May 2005, I wrote a pretty detailed analysis of weather conditions and called games in other northern climate cities that already have open air stadiums like Boston, Detroit, Cleveland, and Chicago.
To summarize, Minneapolis gets less precipitation in April and October than any of these cities, and far less yearly rainfall than any of these cities. Minneapolis is a little colder in April and October, but only by a couple of degrees:
| Apr. Hi/Lo | Oct. Hi/Lo | Apr. precip | Oct. precip | Ave. year rain | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Boston | 56/40 | 63/47 | 4 in. | 3 in. | 42 in. |
| Chicago | 59/39 | 63/42 | 4 in. | 2 in. | 35 in. |
| Cleveland | 58/37 | 62/44 | 3 in. | 3 in. | 36 in. |
| Detroit | 58/37 | 62/41 | 3 in. | 2 in. | 34 in. |
| Minneapolis | 56/36 | 59/39 | 2 in. (+ 2 in. snow) | 2 in. | 29 in. |
I also looked at the games postponed due to weather in all of these cities for the years 2002-2004:
| 2002 | 2003 | 2004 | |
| Boston | 3 | 2 | 2 |
| Chicago | 0 | 0 | 3 |
| Cleveland | 2 | 3 | 2 |
| Detroit | 3 | 2 | 1 |
So, on average, all of these cities have to call about 2-3 games a year on account of weather. As the Rational Actor says, this is not worth the $125 million extra it would take to put a roof on the ballpark. We may be seeing some interesting weather this year, but I think most years will see patterns comparable to what we see in the weather statistics above.
There is a little more in my post, so check it out if you are interested.
• Ramon Ortiz! Looks like a good pickup, and it looks like he is paying attention to the coaching of Rick Anderson. Hopefully Ponson, Silva, and Bonser will start paying attention too.
Posted by snackeru at April 11, 2007 09:19 PM
Comments
Ortiz may be for real....
At this early juncture I give the Twins a B+. We gotta believe the hitting and fielding will improve.
If Silva and Bonser are serviceable, and Ortiz is above average we are competitive...
Posted by: tato at April 12, 2007 02:18 AM
Great article from the Pulse:
Courts could put stadium deal out of reach--it's the bottom of the ninth
Wednesday 11 April @ 15:03:15
by DENNIS GEISINGER
The County’s stadium shell game goes on despite the fact that building a ballpark does not.
Construction of a downtown Twins ballpark, originally set to begin in March and then rescheduled for May, is now (according the Twins official website) not expected to start until summer—a deadline that even the Minnesota Ballpark Authority says is crucial if the new stadium’s projected April 2010 opening is going to be realized.
http://www.pulsetc.com/article.php?sid=3103
Posted by: Mary at April 12, 2007 07:05 AM
Mary, please refrain from printing out entire articles in the comments. I'm sure the copyright holders would appreciate a short message and a link to the original work. Thanks.
Posted by: Shane at April 12, 2007 07:39 AM
"(1) this authorization to the County Administrator does not take effect until the Twins, the Authority and the County have jointly PROPOSED to the BNSF Railroad a legally binding agreement..........."
Proposed??? Why use the word proposed as opposed to Executed?
Is this a way for the Commissioners to put the blame on County Administrators for putting up a deposit based on a PROPOSAL as opposed to an EXECUTED agreement?????
I smell something wrong here.......
Posted by: Mary at April 12, 2007 09:12 AM
Mary, you cannot parse the resolution. Number #2 provides:
the County Administrator shall not exercise such authorization or execute quick-take unless the Team and BNSF railroad have provided a legally binding agreement sufficient to satisfy the County and the Authority ...
So while he gets authority at the proposal, he cannot legally execute it until there is a binding agreement.
Posted by: pragmatic_cynic at April 12, 2007 09:27 AM
As much as I like to mock and ridicule baseball fans and their stadium; even I can't reach that far, Mary. In order for it to be "legally binding" it'd have to be executed, right?
Posted by: Buck Faseball at April 12, 2007 09:30 AM
I LOVE the gates with retired numbers idea... i think it's brilliant. It's a bit cliche, but i hope they put up statues of the retired numbers as well, outside their gates. hell, gate 34 should have a statue of Kirby scaling the gate to rob a homer ;)
the firstbase gate should be gate 14. of course i have a hunch that the gate behind home plate (if one exists) will be gate 7 on a long enough timeline :)
I'm not thrilled with the lack of seats in home run country. i get the whole "scarcity" thing, but one of the things i love about the twins is that i can buy a $6 ticket, meaning i can go to a game on a whim. (the #3 bus basically offers me door-to-door service too) I noticed with Miller Park, and a few others that there are NO cheap seats available... kind of sad. of course, the vast tracts of empty seats are depressing even more so.
It appears as though they are going to keep the silly novelty stuff to a minimum... i love that.
i'll pose this question to the Greet Machiners for today: your top 5/bottom 5 MLB parks - and your favorite/most disliked thing about them.
my top 5:
1. AT&T Park, San Francisco. Great park on a small footprint... perfect.
2. PNC Park, Pittsburgh. A Masterpiece. Never has a ballpark shown off a city so well.
3. Camden Yards, Baltimore. 15 years later, it's still the gold standard for modern parks.
4. Wrigley Field, Chicago. Nearly 100 years old, it still reminds us of how baseball used to be (both good and bad)
5. Kaufmann Stadium, Kansas City. Truly represents KC... beautiful fountains... despite it's location in a parking lot.
the bottom 5
1. RFK, Washington. It's being replaced thank heavens. Cavernous and in a dicey neighborhood... it also costs $20,000 to switch it back to a soccer field each time.
2. Metrodome, Minneapolis. The Blue Room, plastic... indoors, dingy white roof, awful sightlines, far from the action... it's like watching a baseball game in a football stadium (oh, wait...)
3. The Stadium Formerly Known as SkyDome, Toronto. An amusement park pretended to be a baseball stadium... ugh. I would say it's everything bad about the game, but at least they can open the hood occasionally (they almost never do anymore)
4. Oakland Coliseum, Oakland. What once was a beautiful ballyard, sullied by Mount Al Davis in center field. Thanks a lump Raiders.
5. Enron/Minute Maid/something.com park, Houston. New stadium design gone horribly, horribly wrong. Contrived quirks, bandbox small, a flippin hill in center field... ugh.
Posted by: CJ at April 12, 2007 09:50 AM
Can someone, anyone...Shane, whoever...please explain to me what the article from "The Pulse" is actually saying?
Thanks!
Posted by: Erik at April 12, 2007 10:08 AM
Good take CJ. I hate to copy too much, but you stole a little of my thunder.
My top 5: (Once I sit in our ballpark, the top 5 will surely change.)
AT&T: I sat in the upper deck in the afternoon sun, watching the ships roll in...and then I watched them roll away again. And, I saw Bonds hit one into McCovey Cove.
PNC: CJ said it perfect. I must visit this one someday.
Wrigley: The experience of arriving on the train, walking through the neighborhood to the park. There is no way to duplicate this. It's what STM hates most about us...pining for the good ol' days.
Camden Yards: Eutaw street beyond the fence...and it was the first of a new generation.
Coors Field: Sure, it's too big, but the setting is just right.
My bottom 5:
Metrodome: Once MLB left Montreal, we took over the top spot. Shane's site says it all, "I am going to the Dome for a Twins game, does anyone have the number for a good chiropractor?"
Tropicana Field in Tampa: They put a roof on this place? Come on!!! I know, I know, "It's too hot in the summer..."
Dolphins stadium: RFK doesn't make my list because it is temporary, but playing in a football stadium is not a good idea.
Oakland Colesium: Mount Davis took a nice place and really runied it.
US Cellular (White Sox): Once I saw the bullet holes in the top row of seats in the upper deck, I knew it had to make this list...
Another thing I like about baseball: can you imagine putting together a list like this for any other league? Sure, you could throw one together, but no sport has facilities that set themselves apart from each other quite like baseball. In the NBA, you have Indiana in first, and 28 that are the same. In the NHL, you have the X, and 29 that are the same. In the NFL, there are a few like Lambeau and Soldier that still have some charm...but it's pretty rare.
Posted by: Derek at April 12, 2007 10:15 AM
My top 5 attended:
1. Wrigley Field - The grand-daddy of them all
2. PNC Park - A true gem in a boring city
3. Dodger Stadium - Just as beautiful as the day it opened
4. AT&T Park - Great use of very limited space along the Embarcadero - hope the Twins are paying attention
5. Camden Yards - the original modern/retro ballpark which turned urban blight into a tourist attraction
The 5 worst attended:
Stade Olympique - What a concrete monstrosity the poor Expos had to play in
Metrodome - As nice as the 2 WS Championships are, the place is still plastic palace of echos, lousy lighting and BAD food
Shea Stadium - The night I went the rats outnumbered the people in attendance
New Comiskey Park - Faces the wrong direction, the 2nd deck is so steep that if you walk down the stairs and mis-step, you'll land on the short-stop. Concrete walls, sterile..reminds me of the Metrodome with no roof, cut in half. Thanks Jerry Reinsdorf!
Municipal Stadium in Cleveland - Gigantic, empty and cold with LOTS of bugs it truly was a mistake by the lake.
Posted by: kevin in az at April 12, 2007 10:16 AM
Only 16 day until the NFL Draft! (you KNOW you'll watch it!)
Posted by: STM at April 12, 2007 10:33 AM
5 Best:
Camden
Wrigley
Dodger
Fenway
Kaufmann
5 Worst:
Tropicana
Metrodome
New Comiskey
Shea
Miller Park (j.k. trying to get CH Craig's goat)
Skydome
Posted by: Freealonzo at April 12, 2007 10:34 AM
STM, I'm a little confused by your comment. Are you mocking those people that watch the NFL draft? Or are you excited about it? I'll probably tune in for the Vikings pick, but then I could care less.
And for all the stadium pining I do on this site, I have only been to three stadiums in my life: Met Stadium, the Metrodome, and Miller Park. So, I would put Miller Park at the top. I had a great time there!
Posted by: Shane at April 12, 2007 10:37 AM
My 5 best:
PNC - I sat behind homeplate in the 5th row of the upper deck last season for a game and the view and experience is just incredible. It's a shame it's wasted on the Pirates.
Camden - LOVE IT. It's a shame it's wasted on the Orioles.
Wrigley - it's a shame it's wasted on the Cubs.
Yankee Stadium - the place has history and its own energy. It's a shame it's getting replaced.
Kaufmann Stadium - pretty, outdoors, waterfall, just well done and understated all around
Worst:
the Dome
RFK - I was stunned after attending my first Nats game just how much of a gap is between RFK and the Dome. Having seats down the line face home plate? What a novel concept.
New Busch Stadium - just a trainwreck. When I took in a game there last year, I heard many complaints from longtime Cards fans. For example, the lines for concessions were insanely long (took about 2 innings). Not only that, but they angled the concourse televisons AWAY from the lines so these people can't even see what is going on.
US Cellular - sterile, boring and full of white trash
Enron - pop up homeruns?! Outfielders breaking their ankles for no reason?! Just an idiotic design
Posted by: Will Young at April 12, 2007 10:49 AM
http://www.startribune.com/10136/gallery/1116544.html
Posted by: MOJO at April 12, 2007 11:30 AM
Top 5:
1. Oriole Park at Camden Yards - A bit on the yuppy side, but beautiful and pretty accessible in a kind of crowded city.
2. Metrodome - I was a transplant in 1997 who never would have started following baseball again if it weren't for the absurdly cheap tickets of the mid-to-late 90's. I'm looking forward to the new park, but I'm grateful to the awfulness of the Dome for hooking me back in.
3. US Cellular - They've apparently fixed the upperdeck problems to most people's satisfaction. It's a beautiful place to watch a game and has easy access on TWO El lines. Way underrated, even when you consider having to put up with White Sox fans.
4. Memorial Stadium - I doubt it was actually as great as I remember, it just reminds me of the old cartoon O's logo.
5. Safeco - This is generally acknowledged as a really nice place anyhow, but compared to it's predecessor... wow.
Worst:
1. Wrigley - I understand what the appeal is supposed to be, I just don't think it delivers. There's a ton of obstructed view seats. Cubs fans are either drunk and obnoxious or totally uninterested in the game (often both). It smells like urine. Wrigleyville is wildly overpriced and it's reputation as a safe neighborhood is totally undeserved, working primarily on a persistent effort to paint the southside as some sort of chaotic thunderdome. Also, the on-field product is... not good.
2. The Kingdome - I think it was pretty safely a worse park than the Metrdome is. Take away the sentimental attachment and add weird, identifiable odor.
3. Edison Field - Is this the name of the place where the Angels play? It's lame and Anaheim is in the middle of nowhere.
4. RFK - It's nice as a football field?
5. Shea - Echo everybody else's comments. I saw it on a trip to visit my brother in New York. Never again.
Posted by: AA at April 12, 2007 11:35 AM
How could I forget TAMPA??? Miami's is bad, but Tampa is a disgrace. BTW, they built the roof for the rain, not the heat.
MOJO, thanks for the post... it's beautiful.
i'll have more in a bit
Posted by: CJ at April 12, 2007 11:49 AM
a trickier question: what are the worst ballparks built since 1990?
mentioned already are Houstons, Torontos, St. Louis and Comiskey.
I didn't really like Coors field that much when I was there last week. Faces niether the mountains or the skyline, and you can tell its 10 years old.
also, anyone know the dimensions of the new field and/or the height of the walls?
Posted by: haas at April 12, 2007 11:52 AM
It's alive!!!
http://www.startribune.com/10136/gallery/1116544.html
Posted by: Erik at April 12, 2007 11:55 AM
Here are some more and clearer pictures from the Twins official site...
http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=min
Posted by: Erik at April 12, 2007 12:05 PM
OOOOO shiny!
Best stadium: Miller Park
Worst stadium: Metrodome, County Stadium
Granted, these are the only 3 baseball stadiums I've been to. Looking forward to the day when I can go to more.
Posted by: Cheesehead Craig at April 12, 2007 12:09 PM
My thoughts on the new place. Looks tall, but understandable because of the footprint. Looks great though.
Drawings show there will be lower level, suite level, club level, and then upper deck seating. I mentioned the seating in LF last night, but there will be seats in RF as well. What's in CF? Is that a restaurant? Store? Looks like the top level of the parking ramp would have a great view of games from RF. Wonder if they'll be packed with people or if they'll block people from being up there. I like the fact that the bullpens are in LCF, more room along the foul lines and seats are closer. The plazas over 394 look nice. Makes the stadium seem bigger.
I like the dimensions. 339 in LF, 377 in LFPowerAlley, 404 in CF, 367 in RFPowerAlley, and 328 in RF. Fences are 8 ft from LF pole to RCF, 23 ft from RCF to RF pole.
One thing I wish they could have released today was a rendering of what it looks like for a night game. 2010 is too far away. Can't wait for it though.
Mylometer
Posted by: Mylometer at April 12, 2007 12:24 PM
One last thing... If anyone's headed down there this afternoon, can someone ask what's on the wall above the bullpens as well as what's on the RCF wall? I'm guessing they're either ads or they're electronic scoreboards. Also, any plans for a manual scoreboard or minor league affiliate scoreboard? I'd ask if I could make it, but I'm stuck at work. Thanks!
Posted by: Mylometer at April 12, 2007 12:31 PM
Ok guys. This is disappointing. Stop faking it.
I thought we were getting a class act stadium not something that looks like it is out of the movie "Gladiator".
Maybe they got the architecture from the same guy that worked on the movie cheap since he already had the plans.
Posted by: jeff at April 12, 2007 12:31 PM
You're right....I would've taken my shots at any stadium design they came up with. I just can't believe they made it sooooo easy! I don't know where to start?!?
I hope all you stadium heads enjoy. You've got no right to bitch. Lick it up boys - here's your wish!
Posted by: Buck Faseball at April 12, 2007 12:55 PM
This looks fantastic. Can't wait for 2010. I think I'll head to Target after work and buy some more PS3 games to do my part.
Posted by: IowaWigman at April 12, 2007 01:02 PM
So, are any of the detractors going to offer a reason _why_ they don't like the design?
Posted by: Alex at April 12, 2007 01:08 PM
my quick takes on the designs: 5 things i think i'll love 5 that i'm not sure about
Plusses
1. Right field standing/fenway seating. seats with a table like that might be the toughest tickets
2. Outfield bullpens, great thing to take from other new parks
3. the sunshade. elegant and unobtrusive. i think it will prove a fan favorite
4. 7th street plaza.
5. the double decked left field seats - an homage to the old met :)
the stuff i'm not sure about
1. will the outfield seats be chairback? i hope so.
2. lighting. i see one light standard, that hardly seems like enough
3. the dimensions... a little small. i like that the wall heights are about the same as the dome, but lf just got closer to the plate...
4. team offices in the left field corner - they took this from Petco, and i'll have to see it in function to think it's a good move
5. the scoreboard - seems really far away (i know it's probably closer than at the dome, but the rendering raises the question
I was hoping for a water feature, but ah well.
Posted by: CJ at April 12, 2007 01:16 PM
What a joke. Nice 3rd base line rendering. Not even close to reality, not that anyone here will be able to verify it though, those ticks will be 60 bucks per by the time this thing opens.
Posted by: STM at April 12, 2007 01:24 PM
I love the fact that people are taking time of their day to hate this stadium so much, it makes me feel good that this makes their skin crawal. I would want nothing more then a stadium hater to be stressed.
Posted by: Franklin at April 12, 2007 01:56 PM
Regarding the parking ramp view.. apparently the wall at the top level of the parking ramp is 8 feet high so unless you play for the NBA and can stand on your SUV, no luck seeing the field. However 7th (or 6th?) Street goes right into the ballpark. So you can see the field from the street. Nice public plaza in that area. Want to see the game for free? Get in that skyway between the 7th Street and 10th Street ramps. You will have a nice view.
Posted by: Freealonzo at April 12, 2007 02:00 PM
Actually, this is stress relief. It would've been alot more disturbing to actually have to admit they got it right. This "Best Buy" building replica just proves our point all along.
Posted by: STM at April 12, 2007 02:02 PM
STM - I'll make sure to take a picture from my 3rd base seats and post them for you.
Posted by: IowaWigman at April 12, 2007 02:33 PM
HA - like anybody from Iowa can afford the 3rd base line. What happend? pork bellies go up today?
Posted by: STM at April 12, 2007 02:40 PM
Why do I get the feeling that regardless of the stadium design, it would be "easy to make fun of"?
Those who wanted the stadium will like it, and the ones who did not want the stadium will hate it and pick it apart.
Blah, blah, blah.
Posted by: Cheesehead Craig at April 12, 2007 02:41 PM
Okay, seriously;
-It looks exactly like the Best Buy campus
-You know tickets will cost 60 bucks each, easy.
-That Plaza level will shake like a queer eatin' wieners, every time traffic goes by.
Posted by: STM at April 12, 2007 02:52 PM
Have the Twins, or anyone else affiliated with the stadium, announced what the ticket prices will be?
Posted by: Erik at April 12, 2007 02:52 PM
Erik,
Teams announce ticket prices one year at a time. no team in baseball would get that far ahead of themselves.
Craig, question for you. Do you really like Miller Park that much? I have say, I was in there in 03... and i was not impressed. It's 100% better than the blue room with the teflon sky but i was underwhelmed.
i was annoyed that they 'shut the windows' the nights i was there. and i have to say i felt like i was inside for a lot of the game. even with the roof open, you feel it's presence and you feel enclosed. that said, i loved the seats along first base where i sat.
Posted by: CJ at April 12, 2007 02:58 PM
CJ -
I do like Miller Park, I've enjoyed myself every time I've been there. One of the things I like about it is the design. It was made to look like an industrial building to reflect the city's heritage. To me, that's cool; to others, they see it as ugly. To each their own.
One of the things that was great was that if you sit close enough to the concourses, you can hear the radio broadcast of the game. Getting to hear Bob Uecker while watching the game live is awesome. I got to do this on the first base line also (man those are killer seats).
The concourses are plenty wide and it's easy to get around.
Granted, there's not much backdrop to the stadium to look at outside, but it's Milwaukee. If you were looking for scenery, you're in the wrong city.
Plus, it's the home of my favorite team since I was a kid, so of course I'm gonna love it.
Oh, I should add that I have been to the Rangers stadium. Hated it. That stadium should have had a roof over it as a blazing sun of over 100 degrees for 3 hours is not fun at all.
Posted by: Cheesehead Craig at April 12, 2007 03:25 PM
I think the design is great. It's not gimmicky, it's not a copy-cat "retro" park, and its architectural influences clearly reflect two of Minneapolis' new stars: the Central Library and the Guthrie. I'm eager to see more detailed drawings/renderings as this project continues to progress.
STM -- your homosexual slur and your snide remark about Iowans are disgusting testaments to your complete lack of anything worth respecting. Get a life.
Posted by: The Tube at April 12, 2007 05:18 PM
The highway goes right by US Cellular in Chicago, and while it is cool for the traffic, we need to ensure that it doesn't impact the experience too much.
I have grown to love this site. I have always liked it, but just seeing now how the park will fit in is really cool; nothing like it in baseball. The multiple modes of transport, the multiple seating levels, the skyway entrance, the outfield gathering area, the fact that STM won't be at the games, and the list goes on.
Not a fan of the large numbers at each entrance. Give me a statue. Not a lot of room for an outdoor plaza either.
Posted by: Derek at April 12, 2007 06:16 PM
HAHA - Cuddyer and Morneau both just on Kare11 bragging about the Metrodome and blasting the open air stadium. What a bunch of suckers!!!
Posted by: STM at April 12, 2007 06:23 PM
There is a very small group of small minded people who’ve managed to impose their self serving interests on the welfare of others, that need to get a life if what you enjoy is without a doubt the most boring event ever created. You all are candidates for the newly formed “watching paint dry” league. Start chipping in for your stadium now.
Posted by: nomaas at April 12, 2007 06:32 PM
See MOJO, Freealonzo, and Shane on Channel 4 News with their reaction:
http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_102120223.html
Posted by: freealonzo at April 12, 2007 06:53 PM
Karma maintains that every act done, no matter how insignificant, will eventually return to the doer with equal impact. Good will be returned with good; evil with evil. Karma knows no boundaries. If good or evil befall you, it is because of something you did.
Vaffanculo!
You've been cursed
Posted by: STM at April 12, 2007 07:14 PM
you should be banned for that bigoted, offensive remark you made a few posts up, prick. quit posting on this site, do us all a favor.
Posted by: mullen at April 12, 2007 07:27 PM
Check out Freealonzo and I on the news
http://www.wcco.com/video/?id=25831@wcco.dayport.com
Posted by: MOJO at April 12, 2007 08:41 PM
What's the matter mullen? you shaking too?
Posted by: Kaz at April 12, 2007 09:15 PM
Go away STM...please.
The Twins players were saying that with the weather like it's been there are some benefits of the dome when the conditions are poor.
The Twins players do not like the dome.
And they didn't even mention the new stadium in those sound bites....the questions were about the weather and the dome.
Posted by: mlb2131 at April 12, 2007 09:34 PM
STM - if you looked at any other Twins coverage other than the new stadium news, you'd realize that every spring training the players always discuss how depressing the Dome can be and how hard it is on their knees.
Posted by: IowaWigman at April 13, 2007 07:42 AM
