Neestle's chapter on "Influencing Government" really opened my eyes. I feel like nothing is as it appears in our government. Everything is based on partnerships, trade-offs and lobbying when it comes to what issues are brought up, which are fully analyzed and discussed, and which ones are voted on. It is depressing to know that food lobbyists' sole purpose is to benefit private corporations, and that the corporations are solely there to make a profit, leaving us consumers of the loop. The banana example is especially alarming becuase there was no reason for the US to raise tariffs on European goods except to retaliate against the EU placing a banana import quota and to support Chiquita. This example also shows the futre of government being equated to a corporation, even more so than it already is...
Posted by surm0003 at July 28, 2005 2:11 PMThese kind of disclosures are really disheartening because it leaves me with the feeling of, "ok, now who can I trust?" Some of the things written as 'fact' on behalf of these companies were easy to see through, like that margerine doesn't clog your arteries, but others were not so obvious. Also, finding out that Post and Kraft are both owned by Philip Morris is so dissapointing. How can we think that the law is applied equally to all citizens, and then discover these horrible, hidden, and dangerous loopholes in our 'democratic' system. It really makes me lose heart and faith in humanity when I hear about all of these intelligent people: doctors, scientists, who are SO morally corrupt, they only seem to care about money and their personal gains. I just can't understand how they can live with themselves when they know that through their misleading 'findings' that so many people could be having heart attacks and strokes, even when they were dutifully trying to follow the only information available to them. I can't even understand who these people are who put such trivial and material things ahead of being and honest and moral person!!! WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE??!!!!??!!!
Posted by: Lora at July 28, 2005 5:52 PMHaha, this is so similar to Fast Food Nation, its ridiculous. These people saying "our injury rate has gone down so much, were such great people..." and in this article its talking about these people once again misleading the public. Not only politically, but it shows up in our daily lives as well. Olive oil, margarine heart healthy? please! Another fact in this article I found interesting was how it talked about the sugarcane production in Florida and how its affecting the Everglades by not having any free flowing water to it. But the family that owns these fields use their political connections to avoid having to clean up the place. (the Fanjul family donating money to both the republican and democratic parties). They're all in it for the $$! Just like in Fast Food Nation once again....Finding ways to make their company most profitable.
Posted by: Erica Hampel at July 28, 2005 6:18 PMI agree that this reading was very disturbing. It seems so overwhelming, like who can we trust anymore? It seems like there are so many things we should know and don't . . . meatpacking, lobbyist influencing government control over food, big business controling our sense of nutrition. . . It was very dissapointing to read about the influence lobbyists have on the food industry in the United States. I have never really understood politics and don't think I ever really will but it seems so bizarre to me that a country that is supposedly based on freedom and equality would allow such things to occur! Its weird because I took this poli sci class during May session that was basically the theory behind American politics and one of the HUGE concerns about the constitution when it was drafted was that it would lead to the development of an "aristocracy" in the US and ater reading this article it seems clear that those concerns were founded on truth and that there is a sort of aristocracy in the US, an aristocracy of big business and corporations. How could it be that big business or big "money" could create an environment where doctors and scientists are actually telling people that margerine is good for you, that marshmallows are low in fat (without mentioning sugar) and then ignore the fact that the sugarcane industry is messing up the Everglades. It is sad. I agree with Lora. . .who are these people??
Posted by: Lara at July 28, 2005 7:34 PMIn the article I found it to be an eye opener. I think that it is ridiculous to say that a research study on a particle drug or food product can be sponsored by the maker of this product and remain unbiased. As a psychology major, I've see a lot of the safety guards that go into an ethical research study, and I would think that it would become unethical to be backed by a company that can benefit from a particular result. To me this is the equivilent of paid advertising for the particular brand... just like the comercial ad of trident gum-- 9 out of 10 dentists agree that this is the best brand you can buy!
Posted by: Beth Michaud at July 28, 2005 7:36 PM Money rules and talks.
It seems like as long you have the greens you have a special right. It doesn’t matter that people (general public) get screwed over or not. The main philosophy that exists in Capitalistic Society like the USA is “Profit over People”. As long as there is big money and benefit involved who cares about the well being of the general public. This was very clear in the “Fast food nation” article and this article. The thing is why bother to inform people when you could lose money. This article really shows how much those greedy money maker just look only for their benefits. I mean for them the general public is only number that brings the money, who cares if the die on false information. For me this whole article was just depressing, because you see how much untruth is around you, it that makes me lose all faith and hope.
I really feel that the class would benefit from watching "The Corporation" because pretty much everything we have been covering in the past few days is included in the contents of this mind-blowing documentary. It, like alot of the texts we have been reading have made me feel very small and insignificant as far as the government is concerned. It also makes everyone seem like a bunch of idiots -scholars and experts, for example, appear to be so easy to con into promoting a product so long as a research grant is funded. Another simile that comes to mind is the government's likeness to a mafia: everything and everyone can be bought and sold -and anyone who opposes is either dealt with or more often ignored because apparently the power of knowledge combined wit the written word pales in comparison to that of cash. This whole scenario reminds me of the new "Batman Begins" film. I'll explain this statement in class.
Posted by: Jenny Fine at July 28, 2005 8:03 PMI know all this information about the food industry is so scary and overwhelming, and really makes you feel helpless, but we can do something to change these things. we don't have to support certain food industries by buying their products, we can educate other people, we can vote for third party candidates, we can buy from places like cosco, who really do pay a living wage and we can support people like the Yesmen and other orgs. that are fighting this. Not just be aware but dismantling the power structures of priviledge. OK. the article we read for today was extremely informative, we have now some statistical information on the breakdown of lobbyists, where the money goes and to whom and then how many of these food industries lobbying efforts get passed thru legislation. The Revolving Door affect was extremely telling. How can you represent your public objectively against the influence of lobbyists when at one time or another you may have worked for them or your about to. And the owner of the largest sugar industry in the US having direct access to the president on a private line. Come on, gee I wish the lobbyists for humane, organic food practices had that kind of influence. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is the lack of access of this knowledge to the general public. The american people are so ignorent, and kept that way for good reason. But there are people being horribly harmed by this, undocumented workers, for example, in the book, Fast Food Nation, when the author writes about his first hand experience in a slaughterhouse. They push these nonunion and alot of times undocumented workers to produce faster and faster, while they are slicing up the beef with these huge knives and hooks and people standing so close together, sometimes high on meth, so they can keep up. No wonder people are getting horrible, horrible injuries. It's horrendous. But to the public these corps. like conAgra, come off as this wonderful, progressive, forward thinking, nutritional, caring corps. and people want to believe it, I guess it's easier to believe this than to stand up and try and do something about it, especially if you are getting pac money form them or they are funding your org. or you are employed by them.
Posted by: lesli asher at July 28, 2005 8:13 PMI know all this information about the food industry is so scary and overwhelming, and really makes you feel helpless, but we can do something to change these things. we don't have to support certain food industries by buying their products, we can educate other people, we can vote for third party candidates, we can buy from places like cosco, who really do pay a living wage and we can support people like the Yesmen and other orgs. that are fighting this. Not just be aware but dismantling the power structures of priviledge. OK. the article we read for today was extremely informative, we have now some statistical information on the breakdown of lobbyists, where the money goes and to whom and then how many of these food industries lobbying efforts get passed thru legislation. The Revolving Door affect was extremely telling. How can you represent your public objectively against the influence of lobbyists when at one time or another you may have worked for them or your about to. And the owner of the largest sugar industry in the US having direct access to the president on a private line. Come on, gee I wish the lobbyists for humane, organic food practices had that kind of influence. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is the lack of access of this knowledge to the general public. The american people are so ignorent, and kept that way for good reason. But there are people being horribly harmed by this, undocumented workers, for example, in the book, Fast Food Nation, when the author writes about his first hand experience in a slaughterhouse. They push these nonunion and alot of times undocumented workers to produce faster and faster, while they are slicing up the beef with these huge knives and hooks and people standing so close together, sometimes high on meth, so they can keep up. No wonder people are getting horrible, horrible injuries. It's horrendous. But to the public these corps. like conAgra, come off as this wonderful, progressive, forward thinking, nutritional, caring corps. and people want to believe it, I guess it's easier to believe this than to stand up and try and do something about it, especially if you are getting pac money form them or they are funding your org. or you are employed by them.
Posted by: lesli asher at July 28, 2005 8:15 PMI know all this information about the food industry is so scary and overwhelming, and really makes you feel helpless, but we can do something to change these things. we don't have to support certain food industries by buying their products, we can educate other people, we can vote for third party candidates, we can buy from places like cosco, who really do pay a living wage and we can support people like the Yesmen and other orgs. that are fighting this. Not just be aware but dismantling the power structures of priviledge. OK. the article we read for today was extremely informative, we have now some statistical information on the breakdown of lobbyists, where the money goes and to whom and then how many of these food industries lobbying efforts get passed thru legislation. The Revolving Door affect was extremely telling. How can you represent your public objectively against the influence of lobbyists when at one time or another you may have worked for them or your about to. And the owner of the largest sugar industry in the US having direct access to the president on a private line. Come on, gee I wish the lobbyists for humane, organic food practices had that kind of influence. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is the lack of access of this knowledge to the general public. The american people are kept in large part very ignorent, and kept that way for good reason. But there are people being horribly harmed by this, undocumented workers, for example, in the book, Fast Food Nation, when the author writes about his first hand experience in a slaughterhouse. They push these nonunion and alot of times undocumented workers to produce faster and faster, while they are slicing up the beef with these huge knives and hooks and people standing so close together, sometimes high on meth, so they can keep up. No wonder people are getting horrible, horrible injuries. It's horrendous. But to the public these corps. like conAgra, come off as this wonderful, progressive, forward thinking, nutritional, caring corps. and people want to believe it, I guess it's easier to believe this than to stand up and try and do something about it, especially if you are getting pac money form them or they are funding your org. or you are employed by them.
Posted by: lesli asher at July 28, 2005 8:17 PMI know all this information about the food industry is so scary and overwhelming, and really makes you feel helpless, but we can do something to change these things. we don't have to support certain food industries by buying their products, we can educate other people, we can vote for third party candidates, we can buy from places like cosco, who really do pay a living wage and we can support people like the Yesmen and other orgs. that are fighting this. Not just be aware but dismantling the power structures of priviledge. OK. the article we read for today was extremely informative, we have now some statistical information on the breakdown of lobbyists, where the money goes and to whom and then how many of these food industries lobbying efforts get passed thru legislation. The Revolving Door affect was extremely telling. How can you represent your public objectively against the influence of lobbyists when at one time or another you may have worked for them or your about to. And the owner of the largest sugar industry in the US having direct access to the president on a private line. Come on, gee I wish the lobbyists for humane, organic food practices had that kind of influence. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is the lack of access of this knowledge to the general public. The american people are kept in large part very ignorent, and kept that way for good reason. But there are people being horribly harmed by this, undocumented workers, for example, in the book, Fast Food Nation, when the author writes about his first hand experience in a slaughterhouse. They push these nonunion and alot of times undocumented workers to produce faster and faster, while they are slicing up the beef with these huge knives and hooks and people standing so close together, sometimes high on meth, so they can keep up. No wonder people are getting horrible, horrible injuries. It's horrendous. But to the public these corps. like conAgra, come off as this wonderful, progressive, forward thinking, nutritional, caring corps. and people want to believe it, I guess it's easier to believe this than to stand up and try and do something about it, especially if you are getting pac money form them or they are funding your org. or you are employed by them.
Posted by: lesli asher at July 28, 2005 8:17 PMSorry, I don't know how my comments got posted twice, like they weren't bad enough the first time around.
Posted by: lesli asher at July 28, 2005 8:22 PMI most certainly agree with the comments posted. As a consumer I feel I'm being pushed around all the time. So what if I buy the Cub foods brand whole wheat bread versus another whole wheat bread that has a label saying, eating this product will lower your cholesterol and make your heart stronger? Must I pay twice as much in order to lower my cholesterol and have a strong heart? I agree with Ashwak that we, as consumers and as the general people of this society, don't have voice because we bluntly don't have money. Having money means you have voice and apparently we don't. It's an awfully sad fact for sure. But in the article there is a section about the American Heart Association (AHA) who claims to have selected foods that are more healthy and making companies pay a fee to have the AHA label printed on their products. (Note that this fee is also non-refundable) "An AHA spokesman explained that the association NOW had a chance to reach millions of Americans with a health message." Due to FDA and nutrition scientists the program was misleading and AHA soon returned fees it had collected but three years later started up again. I feel like they never give up. Not only AHA but other companies who know that they are in it for the money. As long as they make their sales and profit they never care to think, maybe we are doing something morally wrong here.
Posted by: Susan at July 28, 2005 8:32 PMI found this article by Marion Nestle to be very confusing. Judging from my major as a nurse, I don't know a lot things about the government, so reading this article is kind of hard for me to connect that to food safety but I am going to try summarizies what I understand..It might not be right,but I am still going to try..While, reading this article, I see that there is a lot of talk about moneys that are being fund to the governments from a lot of programs. I agree with Ashwak about the moneys deals where money matter more than a person's health. If I get it right, this article is stirking to say that even through there are laws being made about the certain amounts, or gifts that lobbyists should give to government to bibes them, these lobbyists and thier activties increase more. It is scary for me, now knowing that about those governments in the elections becoming lobbyists too. It really made me wonder about the safety of the poeople in this world that are geting foods that might be unsafe, but are hidden from the food producers who also joined in with some lobbyists governments that also kept it in secrets or we will never know who these people are anyway too. I agree with some of the other that already post, this article is depressing cause it just made you feel sad that the people who have the power to save the lifes of others are not doing thier jobs and are taking bribes insteads. Made you wonder where is the world going to, why set up a kind of Government Act on Food Safety or immigrants when not all people follow them..
Reading the other article was more surprise and interesting to read. This article talks more about educating and influencing people about the safety of the foods. Working in food companies to experience and improve the nutrition of the foods.It was amazing read about those quotations from reasearch studies about foods, beverages, or supplements. For example, the one about the moderate intake of wine( 2 - 5 glasses per day) being helpful in reducing 24- 31% cause of mortailty. This result was interesting, it made me wonder if it is really true because drinking that much drink everyday could also cause a person to be an alcoholic, which they will keep of drinking. Then there would be more health problems with the people. However, considering the margarine intake instead of butter. It is really true. so I guess, the wine issue is also true. Or maybe there are just there to do better adveristments. I don't know..
Posted by: Kalia Chang at July 28, 2005 8:49 PMAfter reading this article, and especially the readings from "Fast Food Nation" yesterday, I find myself confused with all of these information about food and how money relates to them. In fact, like everyone else is saying, I am also not sure who to trust anymore or which side is speaking the truth when it seems like all that matters in the real world is "Money" and the power it holds to get someone to do something for you. While reading "Influencing Government" it really shocks me to find out that the government officials are being so influenced by the food lobbyists and not by anything else but gifts and money! One would think that the Goverment would have more sense and not be so influence by all of this and that they would take their responsibility of governing the people and citizens in their country.
It is clear that by one group donating more moeny to either Republicans or Democrates, this shows that they are expecting a flavor in return, which bothers me the most.
After reading this article, and especially the readings from "Fast Food Nation" yesterday, I find myself confused with all of these information about food and how money relates to them. In fact, like everyone else is saying, I am also not sure who to trust anymore or which side is speaking the truth when it seems like all that matters in the real world is "Money" and the power it holds to get someone to do something for you. While reading "Influencing Government" it really shocks me to find out that the government officials are being so influenced by the food lobbyists and not by anything else but gifts and money! One would think that the Goverment would have more sense and not be so influence by all of this and that they would take their responsibility of governing the people and citizens in their country.
It is clear that by one group donating more moeny to either Republicans or Democrates, this shows that they are expecting a flavor in return, which bothers me the most.
This article really did upset me. I mean, of course it should have, right? I know that it is beneficial for me to understand that the government is corrupt and money is something that will always be a priority for the majority of those people (government officials). I am in a funk, but I believe I am getting out of it. I just do not understand why the truth is so hard to come by. Why do we have to take Women's Studies courses to get this information? Where the majority of people get thier inmformation terrifies me. It is up to those who have this information about the governement and their ties to lobbyists and the meat packing industry to spread the word of their complete evilness and thier obsession with money. Power to the people!!!!
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